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Originally Posted by LaneSig
I was the one who started the thread. In hindsight, I should have put it in the Greek Life thread. If my putting it in Risk Management offends anyone at the SAE HQ or the members of the SMU chapter, I sincerely apologize. And just to be clear, there is no sarcasm at all in that statement.
Now, defending DeltAlum. His first post had a condolence message in it. He then went on to talk about a similar incident that he was aware of in his own fraternity and the consequences it involved. You seem to take issue with his phrase "in the house". If he was mistaken in this, why didn't you just point it out? Your own first post did not offer condolences to the chapter, but said: "Long night filled with lots of drinking and lots of blow. That's all you need to know." Please, calmly explain how saying that shows the respect for the dead young man, his family, and his chapter that you feel DA is not showing.
Instead, you came back with a statement that basically says that no matter what the SAE chapter at SMU does, your HQ would not close it. DA didn't argue with your statement at SAE. He just stated the facts in the Ohio State/Delta Tau Delta case and then agreed that he doesn't know the whole story about the what happened at SMU this weekend. After this is when you finally make the statement that the party was off campus. (And, hate to tell you, if it was a fraternity sponsered event and the under age member was there drinking, yes, the chapter can still be held responsible.)
Nowhere in his posts have I read him 'lecturing' anyone. He offered condolences, shared a similar situation that he was involved in and the consequences, made a couple of posts about responsibility, and basically been attacked. He deserves none of it.
If you have a problem with what someone posts and if it is 'appropriate' or not in this forum or thread, let Kevin know. He will take measures. If you don't feel like Kevin did the right thing, let John know. He is the ultimate ruler of GC.
And, I am truly sorry to have to add more of this bs to a thread that was genuinely started to inform people of a sad event at SAE SMU chapter.
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I offered my condolences in my very next post after my first....but that is besides the point. I have talked to many of the guys in the chapter......actually talked to a couple of them about an hour after he was found dead. They were devastated....I felt it would mean more to here it from me personally.....rather than announce it over a message board......but I still wrote something. Please, don't ask me to explain what I have and haven't done. Pretty sure I have expressed my feelings to the right people. Sorry if my first post was brutally honest......but that is pretty much what happened. Also, I made no mention of them not closing SAE at SMU until Delt responded with his Ohio State story.
Again, I don't know if he was at the SAE party or not. I talked to a bunch of Phi Delts that saw him out elsewhere....so I don't know. However, I am pretty sure the third party vender would be held responsible for serving him alcohol.....not the chapter. If they took the correct Risk Management procedures (which I know they do because I have been to several of their parties) then they shouldn't be held liable at all. They always have wrist bands to get in, wrist bands to get alcohol, and ways to designate who is underage.......this is all done by hired Security.