Who will be on the Steroid Users List?
 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7558564

Aside from Barry Bonds, who do you think will make the list?

That depends. What's the prize for making the list? :)

apparently clemens and pettite is on it. i wonder if they'll put an asterisk with all of his awards and his HOF bust.

he's on now.

You know, they pulled Marion Jones' gold medals and are considering pulling her teammates. It almost seems as if some of the World Series pennants should take similar punishment. Although, Marion admitted to usage. This is just the "black book"

I was expecting the list to be larger, based on the news reports:

This is from SI.com...
“Roger Clemens, Miguel Tejada and Andy Pettitte were named in the long-awaited Mitchell Report on Thursday, an All-Star roster linked to steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs that put a question mark -- if not an asterisk -- next to some of baseball's biggest moments.
Barry Bonds, already under indictment on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about steroids, and Gary Sheffield also showed up in baseball's most infamous lineup since the Black Sox scandal.”
“Besides Clemens and Pettitte, other ex-Yankees named include Mike Stanton, Chuck Knoblauch and Jason Grimsley. Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts also is in the report, as is Yankees and Braves postseason hero David Justice.
Other players include: Troy Glaus, Gary Matthews Jr., Rick Ankiel, Jay Gibbons, Mo Vaughn, Paul Lo Duca, Eric Gagne, Glenallen Hill, Gregg Zaun, Rondell White, Hal Morris, Todd Hundley, Larry Bigbie, Lenny Dykstra, David Segui, Matt Herges, Kevin Brown, Mike Lansing, Wally Joyner, Nook Logan, Jeremy Giambi, Benito Santiago, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Fernando Vina, Todd Pratt, Jack Cust, Matt Williams, John Rocker, Paul Byrd, F.P. Santangelo and Randy Velarde. “

...I see John Rocker returns.

NNNOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!! Not my Andy!!!

That makes me sad. :(

honestly who cares if they take steroids? they are entertainers and a lot of those names listed have kept me entertained over the past 15 years. i think steroid use on the college level or in sports with physical contact should be illegal and those violators should be punished accordingly. but major league baseball is all about homeruns and who can throw the hardest. without these two aspects baseball would be on the same downfall that hockey saw. i wouldn't even doubt that the commissioners and whoever else knew these players were taking steroids but just turned the other cheek because they were bringing attention and revenue to the game. it is all a business and on some level a show. if these athletes are going to get in trouble than i want to see a similar report conducted for hollywood actors and stars, and punishments to be handed down to so called "stars" that have used steroids for a role

It is sad indeed...but frankly, after the strike, I quit watching baseball.

I just want to shout at all of them...didn't anyone pay attention to Lyle Alzado's torturous demise :(, even if the dr said it could not be so...makes you wonder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_Alzado

Alzado is probably most remembered today for being one of the first major U.S. sports figures to admit to abuse of steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death at the age of 43, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness, but his physician stated it could not possibly be true. Alzado was using natural growth hormone, harvested from human corpses, as opposed to synthetic growth hormones. Alzado is buried at River View Cemetery in Portland.

The problem is that if it's accepted that the pros take them, aspiring pros (read: college and high-schoolers) will follow their lead.

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto.
Not just that, but no one is on an equal playing field. That is why Independent, Random tests should be conducted of all pro athletes. I read an article regarding from an NBA player this year that he gets his advantage through good nutrition. He hired a chef to cook every meal for him and saw a nutritionist regularly

But then, Baseball is not quite the same. I think it was Babe Ruth that had such a love for hot dogs and cigarettes.

I was saying that in MLB who cares if they take steroids. In high school it is the parents and coaches responsibility to make sure the players are not using steroids. In college the NCAA is pretty tough on steroids, and it once again falls on the coaches also to make sure players are not using steroids. steroids have been in MLB for over 20 years and the natural beauty of baseball is tarnished and gone. records are gone due to this rampant use but baseball has become more appealing to the general public.

In all other sports steroids give a far and away advantage as they are more physically demanding (i.e. basketball players with jumping and rebounding; football players...well that's self-explanatory; hockey players with hitting the puck at a goalie and hitting eachother, not to mention they already fight all the time). Steroid use in these sports should have major punishments

I personally like to see low scoring defensive battles and well pitched games when I watch baseball.
Heres a very interesting video on steroids, a segment from HBO's real sports.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

Steroids aren't as unhealthy as you may think.

I cried inside when they pulled Marion Jones' medals. She was a role model to me and many girls who had dreams of becoming runners...

What some must remember is that a certain date, it was not illegal!

Now, it is?

Not sure if you're referring to US legislation or the MLB ban.
Assuming you're referring to the US legislation in the early 90's, the DEA and National Institute of Health were AGAINST steroids being made illegal. There has NEVER been a conclusive study linking steroid use to death or serious side effects when used properly.

Did anyone else think her sentencing was a little harsh? I mean, I understand she is a role model and should face consequences, but they've already pulled her medals, she lost her endorsement money (and any hope of future employment) and is humiliated. What does 6 months in jail accomplish? (while Barry Bonds walks free and keeps his records... :mad:) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...2_jones12.html

You are making it appear like Barry Bonds was tried and convicted of something and is still free. He hasn't failed a drug test or been found guilty of anything in a court of law. Although I think he most certainly took something, whether it be HGH or the clear or cream...me convicting him in my own court of opinion doesn't really mean jack. Same goes for everyone else.

Marion Jones admitted her guilt after she had already lied to a grand jury/federal agents about her involvement in BALCO/steroids....hence the perjury conviction. She also had the added check-fraud charges tacked on to her sentence, which could have been a pretty big deal had she received more money than the 25,000$ that she tried to have put in her account.. I think getting 6 months in jail for both is fairly lenient.

Furthermore, attempting to strip Barry Bonds of his records is ludicrous. The guy is a piece of shit and a terrible human being......but he is not even close to the first professional baseball player to achieve lofty stats due in part to bending the rules. There are Hall of Famers who may have cheated for their entire careers. Gaylord Perry comes to mind (throwing spitballs and doctoring baseballs is cheating, and he was better than anyone at it).

Cheating on a grand scale has occurred in every major era and decade in baseball. Corking bats, using amphetamines, doctoring baseballs...taking steroids. All are cheating. Bonds is nothing more than a product of his environment molded out of the greed of everyone associated with MLB the last 20 or so years: owners, executives, and players.

and it gets better:

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/WinterC...4128750&page=1

I caught a little of the actual House proceedings this morning as I got out of the shower - what a joke.

This is really an excuse for the members of the House committee to proselytize from the podium, get air time, rant and rave to a camera and then peddle themselves as "difference makers" during their next reelection campaign. Baseball's testing program is on par or superior to any league out there, and its penalties are more severe - football, by contrast, has a legitimate drug problem, with stars caught every year and a testing program that is notoriously full of holes and pre-test warnings to star players. I witnessed the committee chair first, then the minority leader, stand up and deliver a ridiculous sermon on the dangers of drugs, while giving uncited and laughably uninformed "statistics" on drug use and the connection between athletics and use of performance-enhancing substances. Never mind that most of these users are not baseball players - football has, by far, the more serious problem - or that the true 'enablers' are generally not pro athletes, but rather the parents who fund the purchases, or the coaches who look the other way in search of more and better wins, or etc.

The finger-wagging on the part of Congress in this situation is laughable at best, and insidiously dangerous at worst. Announcing the baseball situation as a "problem" while focusing on the stars and not the majority of users (who are, in general, failed scrubs or the injured), all the while making innuendo that the problem is worse than the testing indicates because of the specter of HGH (which has never been shown to actually increase muscle mass or athletic performance), really gives children the actual license and rationale for using performance-enhancing substances. It's a total joke.

We should all be ashamed, as taxpayers, that our money and time is being wasted on such an inane, onanistic exercise as this. How silly.

I agree.

"She too fine to go to jail..." -Unknown

LOL. She wasn't too fine to be married to that huge dude.

She won't be the only pretty woman in prison. They will do what female inmates do, I guess. Do each other's hair or whatever. ;)