Snap bids at Bama
 

Does anyone know yet if Bama sororities will be giving out any snap bids? I know that bid day is today and I would like to find out. If they do, does anyone know the process?

A friend of mine has a daughter who went through rush, but dropped out yesterday morning. She had been invited back to 3 sororities for skit night and she REALLY liked 2 of them. When she got her invitations back yesterday, the 2 she liked so much had both dropped her. I was wondering if there was something she could do if any snap bids were going to be given out to let them know she was still interested. She had an exceptional resume (many honors courses, volunteer work, won and placed in many pageants) and over a 4.00 GPA, so it is hard for me to understand how this happened, but she didn't know anyone and it may have had a lot to do with it.

Thanks in advance!

They go out tonight, I think around 5 PM.

Thanks! Things have changed so much since I went through. We called them "open bids" and I could not remember how the process worked then and very unsure of how it worked now.

I'm not sure about that. I know in the UGA thread they're saying you can't give a snap to a girl who dropped but that wasn't true at my school. A girl who dropped out on her own was still eligible for a snap bid and those were usually the girls who got the snap bids because you're not going to snap someone that you've already cut. Usually the girls who got snaps were the ones that cut your house early on then dropped out near the end when they didn't get the invites they wanted.

However, she probably shouldn't get her hopes up too much for a snap bid. Like the UGA discussion snap bids at Alabama are very rare and statistically she doesn't have a very good chance. Not saying it couldn't happen, just that she shouldn't get her hopes up. And she should not be contacting the sororities before bid day. If she's interested in COB she should go to the greek life office and put her name on the list.

It's my understanding that if a PNM voluntarily withdraws she is still eligible for a snap bid as long as she informs Panhellenic that she would be interested. As to whether any snap bids were issued last night or how many Chapters made quota, we won't know that until later. Typically after the Bids are handed out.

You may want to check out my advice to MDBamaDad in his thread "Dad needs advice regarding Bama" on what to do next.

Zillini,

I PM'd you.

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If you withdraw from recruitment, you are not eligible to be a quota addition or get 'snapped'.

Is that at just Alabama and Georgia (or was it Auburn?)? At my school many women got snap bids when they dropped out, and I believe that's standard practice in NPC.

Although, isn't that (i.e. snapping) just to fill quota?

If a group is under total they can still continuous open bid up to total. How long is quota in effect (for lack of a better phrase)?

Snap biding is only to fill quota and only applies to bids extended in the period between actual bid matching ending and bids being given out. a chapter is not supposed to snap bid if they made quota but are still under total. That's COB and should be after bids are distrubuted.

Quota from a formal recruitment is in effect until the next session of formal recruitment.

Example: if a chapter matches 5 less than quota during fall formal recruitment, then that chapter has the right (even if over total) to take an additional 5 new members up until the next formal recruitment period.

At least this is the way the green book describes it. your milage by vary due to local campus panhellenic rules.

Right, this is the way I understood it. NPC doesn't have cut-and-dry rules about snap bids? I thought snap bidding to quota (including girls who dropped out of recruitment) was always permitted under NPC rules, but it sounds like it's not? Or does it just not have rules about which women are elligible for snap bids, so it is left up to schools to decide that for themselves?

Snap bidding is governed by the individual campus. The NPC Green Book only says "may", not "shall" about snap bids. Snap bids apply only to quota. However, they are allowed to COB to total beginning whenever the individual PH rules state it may begin (after bid day).

Bama Snap Bids? Quota?
 

[quote=Zillini;1504654]It's my understanding that if a PNM voluntarily withdraws she is still eligible for a snap bid as long as she informs Panhellenic that she would be interested. As to whether any snap bids were issued last night or how many Chapters made quota, we won't know that until later. Typically after the Bids are handed out.


Were snap bids issued, and how many chapters made quota? How many are still under total?

[QUOTE=BamaMama;1505628]As was already said in the other Alabama thread, snap bids are not publicized and a woman getting a snap bid isn't going to know that she was "snapped" versus simply being on the original bid list. If women were "snapped", it happened on bid day.

[QUOTE=SmartBlondeGPhB;1505680]That's not how it worked at my school. The girls definitely knew they were snapped because they had already dropped out of recruitment. Usually the recruitment chair and a active that had met her at a rush party would go to the girls room and talk to her about accepting the bid. If she accepted she would come to bid day with everyone else. I think there's some confusion about the difference between a quota addition and a snap bid.

Add COB/COR to the list.

At UGA, at least in the olden days, the girl knew she was being snapped because she got a phone call from the group [or panhellenic, I guess.]

I think that SmartBlondeGPhB was probably thinking quota additions because in that case, she is totally right.

With snaps though, the girl didn't* pref the house, so surely she'd need to know and consent to get a bid [from a house that she didn't list on her bid card.]

(Although, I guess, at campuses that distribute bids and then let girls sign them, they could give a snap bid as the bid, but it just seems like of jerky because most girls would expect a bid to the group they preffed.)

*ETA: this should really be changed to might not have preffed the house, I guess.

[QUOTE=AlphaGamUGAAlum;1505826]A girl can be snapped if she preffed the house.

I didn't think there were any rules against it, but wouldn't she have matched through normal bid matching though, making a snap unneeded?

Dude, what's up with the quote function today?

Not if she were low enough on the list.
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That has always been my understanding, at least in regards to Bama.

But under what conditions would they need to snap bid her if not that they didn't make quota? And if they didn't make quota, wouldn't they have exhausted the bid list, thereby having a chance to bid her offering her a regular bid already?

I'm sorry to seem so moronic, like it this were a real conversation that you all would have to talk slow,

but if a girl preffed a house and was on the bid list, how would the group end up not making quota and needing to snap before they passed her name?

Are you all thinking about snapping to total after regular bid matching? It makes sense in that case that SmartBlondeGphB is complete right; the woman and the average member of her group wouldn't need to know that she was part of the group that came in after quota but before total, like a quota addition.

I can completely see how a women could be snap bid by a different group that she didn't pref, but then it seems like the phone call to her is needed.

Honestly it's hard to say how many Chapters had to snap. Panhellenic doesn't share the pledge lists until the bids are distributed which was at 5pm. Who knows how many Chapters may have received the call saying they needed to come snap. So if a Chapter snaps up to Quota prior to bids being handed out, the rest of the campus may never know they even had to.

We do know now (please refer to the thread on UA recruitment) that KD and Gamma Phi missed Quota -- at least by bid distribution time. However both have nearly snapped up to Quota and I wouldn't be surprised if they hit it really soon.

Here's the nutshell as it has been explained to my by one of our NPC Delegates a few years ago:

If a Chapter isn't at Quota yet and there are still "girls on the table" that are on their Bid list (meaning they came to Pref), then they would be matched through straight bid matching.

Snap bids are issued when all the women on your Bid List have been pledged to other Chapters or have voluntarily withdrawn from Recruitment and the Chapter is still not at Quota.

Quota Additions are when there are PNM's who went to pref and maximized her options (i.e. didn't suicide) and all the Chapters she preffed are already at Quota by the time her name is reached on any of their Bid Lists. Panhellenic will then add her to one of the Chapters she preffed. They try to spread the additions around so that no single Chapter gets like 20 additions while another gets none.

Any Chapter that does not achieve Quota through Formal recruitment is entitled to take enough new members through out the year to reach Quota. This is regardless of Panhellenic set Chapter Total. If at any point in time prior to Initiation a new member quits, a Chapter is entitled to replace her to get back up to Quota. There is some contraversy in terminology here as some folks consider these situations as still snap bidding while others call it COB.

Once a Chapter reaches Quota, their next concern is Panhellenic Chapter Total. If any Chapter is below or falls below Chapter Total (graduation, transferring schools, etc.), they are entitled to COB until they reach Total.

Wow, so if any new member quites before initiation, the group can replace her with COB even if they are at chapter total without her?


Is this true everywhere or just at some schools?

Is it true even for groups who got quota additions?

As I said that was the explanation given to me by an NPC Delegate. However I think we've all seen that of many these policies can vary somewhat from campus to campus. As someone pointed out in an earlier post, the Green Book in many places says "can" and "may" as opposed to "will" and "must". But the basic definitions of Snap Bidding to Quota, Quota Additions and COB'ing up to Chapter Total are the same.

No, since the Chapter would still be at or possibly above Quota. Unless enough new members quit to push them below Quota.

The way I read the green book is that you can only replace a new member who depledges (unless the group is under total) is if she refuses her bid and does not participate in the new member ceremony.

Quota additions are not eligible to be replaced, unless the chapter goes under total.

Quote from Green book but not marked as Unanimous agreement

When a woman negates her signed membership recruitment acceptance agreement and refuses to accept her matched bid at the conclusion of membership recruitment and does not participate in a ribbon or formal new member ceremony, this space in the chapter's pledge quota was not filled. Therefore, the chapter may immediately bid and pledge another woman, even if the chapter is over total.

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Quota Additions do not raise or increase the number of quota, and this process is used only during the bid matching process itself. Quota Additions do not create quota vacancies under any circumstances. Quota additions are never involved in Continuous Open Bidding.

This thread makes my head spin!

I thought I was the only one!

This thread makes my head hurt.

Bottom line though: Does anyone believe that Snap Bids, COB, etc. will be going out for any chapters this semester? I think people just want to know if their kids are going to get bids.

Personal opinion here -- I would imagine that most snaps have already occured or should be completed soon. I have no evidence or knowledge to back that up. But classes start today and most folks want to get on with school, so they were probably trying to wrap it up as quickly as possible.

We won't know (publicly) about who is open to COR until Panhellenic issues the numbers on how many members are now in each Chapter with the new pledge classes. Each Chapter was required to submit their roster of returning members last week. For some Chapters it may depend on how many actives returned to campus, how many transfered, how many simply didn't return to school, etc. Panhellenic promised to publish these numbers "soon".

And if this makes our heads spin, imagine how the poor PNMs feel.