Exchanging Canes
 

Sigma Ladies,

On my yard you lovely ladies are our sorors. At parties or on the yard we often step together and stroll together. At one event one of the bruhs borrowed a cane from one of your sorhors and started twirling it. A Sigma Lady from another campus where Indi-Love doesn't exist got upset and tried to take the cane from him :mad: . What's up with that? On our yard it's ok for a Sigma Lady to hold a Nupe's cane and for a Nupe to hold a SGRho cane. We understand the historical bond between us and the cane. So my question is...Is there any reason why, in the spirit of Indi-Luv, we can't touch or exchange canes?

I think this is just one of those regional things. Just to be on the safe side, and to be polite, I always ask before I touch someone else's cane unless I know them and know that it's cool. And I expect people to ask before they grab mine. It's just about manners, if you were at someone's house that you don't know that well, you don't go digging through their stuff, you ASK if you need something.

PS - When you come out to CA, you could borrow mine. :)

All I can say is different strokes, for different folks. If the Soror let the bruh borrow the cane, I don't see the problem. I'm quite sure she knew what he would do with it.
As far as it goes, I am one for the Indi-love. I have received nothing but respect from the brothers I have met from Kappa Alpha Psi.

well...
 

now, i must say that i LOVE me some K-A-Psi and Indiana Love is a BEAUTIFUL thing...

but when it comes to my cane, my philosophy is very simple:

i don't even want my mama touchin' the cane. i used to ride with my cane in the front windshield of my car and all my passengers (usually male friends) would reach for it, as if to touch it, but i would always stop them short of putting their fingers on it and tell them, "you don't wanna do that. it's not worth it."

but that's just me. i don't touch anybody else's cane, unless i have to-- like if its step practice or if we are at practice and someone didn't bring their wood.

Didn't know..
 

Something just occurred to me- I've been a Delta for almost 11 years and I had no idea, until about 3 y ears ago, that there is an unwritten rule that you are not suppose to touch a Kappa's cane. Not that I've ever tried to or felt the urge to but I didn't know that it was a no no! I guess it's the fact that for one, I can honestly say I have had little to no contact with Kappas (although my dentist is a Kappa) and two when I have come into contact with them the cane thing was no where in the conversation. It's good to learn something new, even when you're far from being new! :D

I agree with my SoRHOrs. :) Personally, I am also for the Indi-Love as they were the 1st to congratulate us after my sand and I crossed. I've never touched a Kappas Kane however I did ask one to show me a twirl.:D

OK...this changed last night. With permission, I twirled a Kappa kane (and didn't drop it:p)

Congratulations! :D

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Cane swapping...
 

Well, some chapters I have seen are close like that. Some are not. :) I like what Rho4life said about manners, though. I mean, you shouldn't go grabbing people's stuff without asking, even if they are a friend or family member.

Thanx ladies... I really appreciate your feedback. I can understand your points, all of them. Oh yeah! Congrats NinjaPoodle!!! Keep at it. I've only seen one Sigma Lady twirl like (and better than some) a Nupe. Hopefully there will be many more. If you need more practice just ask, I'll happily let you borrow my cane.

Awww... you're too kind.:D

Frat...first let me start off by stating that I hope that this reply gets to you in the best of health...as for the message that you posted, I completely understand where you are coming from, but in my opinion if you're going to point the finger point it in both directions.
I entered the world of SGRho and Greekdom in Spring of 2003 in New Jersey, the frat that were on my yard showed me much luv and helped me & my other 2 sorors out to the best of their ability,however, frat on other yards did not. I remember one step show that I went to, I approached frat to show him some luv...he looked at me like I was crazy.
In the north that Indi-luv goes out the window, and frat shows more luv to AKA's and Zeta's rather than SGRho their "Sorors"...I'm not mad at it, you flock to who you flock to but my point is you have to take into consideration that that soror might not have gotten the luv that is shown on your yard on the yard that she currently repRHOsents. It also brings up the notion of better networking on both org's parts. (maybe a discussion

Much LUV Always
Cyndeelov1922
EEEEE-YOOOOOO

I have to agree with Cyndee. Up north its a different story. There's really no such thing as Indiana Luv up here. So therefore, I do not approach KAPsi in that manner. You have to remember that a lot of people in the tri-state area, for instance, tend to have their noses in the air; greek and gdi alike.

Now I don't like to call Kappas my bro if it is not universal. But I have been called Soror by them before and its kind of weird for me but I just greet them back. I'm never disrespectful.

Its kind of a shame because there are many of them who just don't like us enough to even say hi, as a fellow greek. But, it is what it is! No tears over here! ha-ha!

singing...pretty to the left of me!lol!:)

YO
 

This is true, and I still think it's backwards. I pledged down in the deep south, but, I am originally from Indiana. The funny thing is, down here, we show the Rho's more love than the do back home. We taught the ladies how to twirl on campus and everything. It's all love. I wonder what has happened? It's bowling shoe ugly to me.......

On my yard...we dont haven't any SGRho's; so when I see them I just absorb them! (smile), but in WV-MD-VA area, the Indi-Luv is shown esp. when we go on other yards...even further north in places like connecticut and mass. So it depends on the area and if the orgs have had any issues with each other in past...

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Pretty and Perfekt, and Best Designed,
This Indiana Luv will blow ya mind,
So stop all the hatin' and quit the stressin;
JUST BOW DOWN...to the Kane Konnection!

YO-YIP! :cool:

Re: YO
 

Dayum, that's ugly....:(

Awwwww...I think I'm in Indi Luv...will you marry me? ;)

Here in Cali, folks show the luv but when I traveled to one place down south, it got cold quick (brrrrrr). When I travel, I sometimes wear the para and in airports I've been stopped by Kappas:D and we conversated. It was nice. Just depends.

I am sooo late on this topic lol
 

I know I am a good year late, but I was looking up on this KAPsi/SGRho connection history thing and I came across this conversation in Google. So, first I'll intRHOduce myself:

CorpRHOate America via Fuego
Ace Club
Aurora's Flames
Spring 2K6
Eta Alpha Chapter (Univ. of North Texas)
Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc.

Next, I would like to say hi to the SoRHOrs and the men of Kappa Alpha Psi. Now on to my post:

I have no problem with exchanging canes with Kappas. It's fun and it shows [other orgs] that there really is a visible connection between the two orgs. (We don't really have Indy Luv on my campus, but hey, I've gotten it from other schools, so I'll just assume there's something wrong with my Kappas lol) They show us how to twirl and bop (and shimmy), so I feel like it just expands my org's abilities: Not only do we step, but we step with CANES! and the crowd goes "ooooo-ahhhh" lol

Now, I would like to pose a question to whoever (Kappa preferred due to the fact that there tends to be a bias for my soRHOrs; for the most part, SGRhos seem to believe in a connection and Kappas don't) runs across this post: What is the connection? What have you heard as the reason behind us (SGRho) carrying the cane? I ask that because on another post, a Kappa said his oldheads (and I mean like 50s/60s pledgees) have never said anything about SGRho and Kappa Connection. But my Regional Syntaktes, who pledged in the 60s, was pledged with a cane and she was told the ole "They walked us home..." story. So, that early in the game and Kappas don't know about it? I don't know about that. Any ideas, historical facts, rumors, anything like that would be helpful. Oh and I just heard like 2 days ago some girl say that two of our founders dated. I find that kinda hard to believe (they were all, like 5+ years apart in age) BUT that's how every other org developed a connection, so have any of you heard of this? Thanks


Oh yeah and feel free to PM me, if you're uncomfy with sharing info out in the open like this. If it's not that serious, post away!


EEE-Yip!
EEE-Yo!

I dont think the bond is that tight in NYC. It looks as thought the Nupes up here are tight with the AKA's. I actually witnessed some sorors a little salty towards the Nupes saying that we should not "sweat" them. as a neo...Im confused. At a recent function we were not greeted as warmly (if at all) as the AKA's and Delta's by Kappas. I find that the Alphas have been more friendly toward us (hugs and all) I havent even spoke to a Nupe yet and I have been around them several times. :shrugs:

co-signing with both sorors. i also was made in NYC with the double sided view on Indi-love--on one hand, we as Sigma woman stand on our own and dont depend on a brother-sister relationship with ANY frat. however, i was also taught to respect that indi-love where it is GIVEN.

so yes, i have grown into the mindset of "the Kappas arent sweating us (well, not in NYC anyway) so why should we sweat them?" i refuse to run after ANY greek like some groupie. if said Kappa is gonna show me love, then i will return it. if they wanna act brand new and flock after some other D9 sistergreek (NTTAWWT), they can do them and i can do me.

now some greeks may see that as Sigma women being XYZ or whatever you wanna call it, but whatever man. It's nice to have that bond, but we hardly need to rely on it.

ETA: and that whole "oh the Kappas used to walk the SGRhos home and use the canes as defense" story... ive been told that is hoohah. i mean, the universities are 1.5 hours apart by DRIVING... but i wasnt exactly around in 1922 to verify so... yeah.

Soror, well said. When it is given, I return it. I used to think this was a regional thing but it is not cause I have encountered some who show love from various areas and some from the same areas don't. It depends on how they were taught. Other than that, I sure don't sweat it.

I'm tired of this topic coming up!

Mine too. :D ;)

Here in the STL area, on one of the yards we are definitely not experiencing the Indie Connection. We had a all greek step show, and some of the Bruh's were sitting in the area designated for greeks. My Sorhors and I went to take a seat and one of the Bruh's, told us that the section was for the Kappas, I thanked him politely for the information. Needless to say we sat down anyway, after I informed him we would be sitting in the section because we had the Indie Connection. Even here in the STL some bruh's are not showing the love. Actually the Ques showed more love than the bruh's did.


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Soror I know that's right and if they did not know now they know.

I seriously did not want to respond to anymore comments in this thread, but since I am up late cause I'm taking some well deserved time off,

Then, yeah that's right, Soror cause they need to know!! I am tired of this topic like I said -- but at the same time I have encountered way too many Kappas FROM ALL OVER who are "sweating" ME and letting me know of that "bond" and "history". So since it does exist (and thinking about the history of the STATE OF INDIANA at that time, then yes, it would have to) then maybe it's up to "us" to inform them. :mad:

Just like they inform me when I'm just out doing ME and my SGRho thing... ;)

Hey neo!

There is nothing to be confused about. Sigma Gamma Rho and Kappa Alpha Psi are not officially brother and sister anywhere; although on some campuses they have a close relationship and they may refer to one another as such (which is why we carry/step with canes and some of our sorors know how to twirl them). I'm from the North (Philly to be exact) and the kappas and sgrhos at my undergrad and in the area do not call each other brother and sister generally, although I have come across some Kappas that feel that way toward us. At my undergrad (and this was back in '93), we had sort of a love/hate relationship with the Kappas. One minute we couldn't stand each other and the next minute they would get mad at us for having too many parties with XYZ fraternity. They also didn't care if we took their canes, which we did any time we wanted to and there wasn't a problem other than our usual displays of love/hate. I think overall, we really cared about one another and respected the obvious connection we had.

My rule is...if you show me love, I'll show you love back, but I don't expect anything from anyone.

Soror, if they're sweating you no matter where you go, you must be THEIR kind of attractive. What I've seen from some kappas (not all, but some and let's keep it real), is that if you're THEIR kind of attractive, all of a sudden the Indie Love becomes an excuse to get closer whether they really mean it or not. This is why they sweat AKA's on campuses where many of them fit their stereotypical image...they like those "Pretty" Girls!...just keepin' it real.

Hmm, what I find is if the young lady is pretty, no matter what org she is in, they are going to sweat her.

Yes, this is true but the point I was making is that some Kappas use the Indie love thing to get close to "Pretty" sorors even when they're not really being sincere about it.

Also, you'll notice that I put quotes around the word pretty because as we all know, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and just because a Kappa doesn't sweat a girl, that doesn't necessarily mean that she really isn't pretty. It could mean that she's just not THEIR type of "pretty."

and conversely, if you aren't their "certain kind of pretty," well then Indi-love just goes flying out the window. you'd be lucky to get a "hey soror whats up" (not that im feeling it when Kappas call us their "soror" but it's better than "what up Rho" which is another story that's been argued over and over)

OOOH, I hate that Rho crap! :mad: I have been known to go off on folks doing that.

My thing is...the disrespect is just not called for and it's so unnecessary between greeks. I hate when Kappas just walk by SGRho's and not speak because they aren't THEIR type of "pretty." What does "pretty" have to do with speaking to someone? When I see this go down (even if it didn't happen to me personally), I want nothing to do with those Kappas and I make sure they know it when they try to approach me. You can't be cool with me and then go and dis one of my sorors because she's not your type.

As for the Rho crap, people who know me (greeks and non-greeks alike) know that they better not ever call me a "Rho." You can call me a Sigma (which I prefer), an SGRho, or a Sigma Woman or Lady, but you better not dare call me a Rho. My Nationals has never referred to me as a Rho and I'll go back and forth with Phi Beta (and anyone else) all day over this...and I have.

As for the sorors that call themselves Rho, all I have to say is...show me in any Sigma literature where you are called a Rho. And I know on some campuses sorors have had issues dealing with Phi Beta over this mess and all I can say to that is...don't let anyone call you anything other than your "TRUE" name. I love Phi Beta and on my campus we were really close, but they knew that getting into an argument over our right to call ourselves Sigmas was not a good move (although they tried it once).

You are funny, Soror! :p I don't believe in the back and forth because I'll tell you one time only: My first name is Sigma, and I'm a Sigma. I don't use my last name, but if that's your pleasure, go for it. Just don't try to tell me what to call myself.

BTW, I'll never have Bruhs. I have plenty of Sorors, so there's no need. I'll respect and show love to a fraternity member that does the same for me. Therefore, you'll never see me chasing down a Kappa to show Indy Love in Atlanta. Maybe if I was in a city where Greek Life isn't so big, then I'd chase any Greek just to say, "Hey, Greek!" Otherwise, my sorors and I repRHOsent Sigma very well without a need for fraternity approval or alliance. If a fraternity member can't respect that, then tough ta-tas for him.

I think people that try to call us RHO's are just trying to be funny when it is in fact being disrespectful. And as for the Sigma name thing, well we know that Sigma is our first name and its PBS last name. No argument should even be made by PBS over us being called by our first name. Most People refer to eachother by their first names so where is the argument at?
As far as Indiana love with KAPsi, thus far I have not witnessed SGRHO's being shown anything other than love from Kappa men. I know that for our probate, they showed up in big numbers and was very supportive. I am mad that this is not the case on all campuses but Oh well, we are Sigma women and we don't need the acknowledgement of anyone because our very presence (seeing our classy, sexy, sophisticated selves) commands attention ;)

No your chapter isn't way off. My undergrad chapter is in the North (outside of Philly) and we also didn't claim anyone as our brothers, but when the Kappas and SGRho's got together, holding/twirling eachother's canes was just no big deal. I think that on some campuses where we don't acknowledge one another as brother and sister, there is still a mutual respect for our relationship regarding the canes. We both know that the reason SGRho's carry canes and why some step and twirl with them is because of our long standing close relationship with Kappas on some campuses (Who do you think first taught SGRho's to twirl?). So I think because of that mutual understanding and respect, exchanging canes is just no big deal on some campuses. Keep in mind though that some SGRho and Kappa chapters know more than others about the connection between our organizations and the ones that know the most or that were "made" by members who had a high respect and knowledge of our sister/brother relationship (where it exists) will usually have more respect for the connection and thus not mind the exchanging of canes.

I say if you have a problem with someone else touching your cane, just kindly let them know that you don't do that if they ask for it. There is no reason; however, to be nasty and rude, especially when you know that on some campuses exchanging canes is perfectly normal.:)

That's right Soror..