Question: Does anyone ever see the NPC allowing inclusion of a 27th group?
 

Question: Does anyone ever see the NPC allowing inclusion of a 27th group?

I loved reading the thread on the NPHC question, but there were several references to the NPC and its membership requirements.

I'm just curious what people think. There are smaller, but national women's GLOs that have been working to expand. Many are over 20 years old and have 10-20 college chapters.

Does anyone ever see the NPC allowing membership to a new 27th group? Or does anyone think that a new women's GLO conference will be created of these younger women's groups.

I imagine something will occur within the next 5 years with these other national sororities, since they are getting pretty well established ...

Re: Question: Does anyone ever see the NPC allowing inclusion of a 27th group?
 

Many of these GLOs have a certain "focus" like music or engineering.

If they keep those focii they will not be admitted to NPC.

If anything, it's more likely that the number of NPC groups will decrease.

I suppose anything is possible, but I don't really think there's a market for another NPC sorority.

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Has the NPC stated this outright, or is it just assumed? (I agree with you that it probably won't happen, but I'm wondering if this is an official NPC position or not.)

It really depends on whether or not the membership criteria remains the same over the coming years. If it remains the same, I can see, at the very least, Kappa Beta Gamma being readmitted. If the NPC increases the number of minimum chapters needed, which I also think is possible, then that may not happen.

I agree that the loss of a sorority or two is quite possible, but I don't think this will happen for a while.

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I'm just assuming. We (and AST and Tri-Sig) had to drop our "educational" focus when we were admitted...i.e. we could not just admit women who were ed majors.

I know that, at some campuses alpha Kappa Delta Phi is an associate member of Panhellenic. At only 15 years old, they have strong chapters at many big campuses and associate chapters and colonies are popping up everywhere, according to their website.

I don't know much about their intake process, but from what little I do know, it's nothing compared to what I'm used to seeing from the NPC.

If aKDPhi wanted to join the NPC, wouldn't they have to rid themselves of the whole "Asian-American interest" label?

I'm wondering about the differences between "_______-interest" and "_________-only." The NPC certainly wouldn't accept a sorority that only accepts music majors, but I don't know whether or not they would deny a sorority that has a focus on music but accepts women of every major, you know?


Also, the "______-interest" concept may not be dropped even if the label is officially done away with. For example, with aKDPhi, they could easily drop the official Asian-American interest label if they really wanted to join the NPC, but with that history of their organization, their chapters would probably stay primarily Asian-American. It's really the same thing as SDT or AEPhi -- while they accept people of all religions, a number of chapters tend to be primarily Jewish just because that's the way it used to be. I imagine that would be the case if a sorority like aKDPhi wanted to go NPC.

My thought is that the growth of a younger and/or smaller group would be hampered by the entire NPC expansion policy. If a group is expanding and growing, why would they want to place themselves in a very restricted expansion position? The entire NPC invitation and presentation protocol would be counter productive for such a group. Not to mention the whole cost issue in attempting to provide housing on campuses where that is required.

OTW, that is a New Thought brought into the process to be sure and may be very right on the nose!!!:)

As most people should realize, that once a Major Group gets established, they really dont like things or people rocking the boat!:(

There is a History of Greeks that show the same point, and the biggest is The Union Triad for Fraternitys.

Until The Major Groups Who Govern get off of Their Rears and see that there is a Major Problem, then I dont really think Greeks will actually grow.

We sell a product, period.

So, why should male or Female want to join us as Greek of a Social Stratus?

It cost a little more, but what does it out weigh?

I would never have known so many Men of My Fraternity, not only the Local Chapter, but all over. What would I have done when a Brother says Hey, I think You are perfect for This Job Position.

We as a Member of a GLO have so many more openings than others.

Resume:

High I am Tom, I just graduated from college and need a job.

Well what did you do?

Oh, I went to class and graduated.

You werent interactive? Well No.:(

Resume:

High I am Tom, and I just Graduated from College and I need a job.

Well, what did You do?

Well, I was a Member of xyz, I was an Officer of these positions, I ran this Charity Event, I played in Intermural sports, I was a member of so and so Group on Campus.

Is that all? No, I just wanted to cover the High Lights!:D

GDIs arent Stupid, they are just not enlightened!:) Dont have the oppotunity to expand the horizons!!

I believe some Latina sororities are affiialted with the NPC (I guss as an associate member?) at some schools as well. Isn't that more because some campuses require all greek orgs to be on a council, so they just became associate members to stay on campus?

Posts need to be combined.:)

I agRee. There are certain NPC sororities that aren't doing so well.

But yet at the same time, it is always possible that groups will merge/absorb or cease to exist, as several groups have allready done. I do think that one will have to disappear, be gone for a WHILE before a new group will be allowed to join (the thinking being that it would be better to re-admit XYZ to the NPC rather than accept NMO as a new national org).

I am wondering about Ceres- actually. They were, after all, founded by an NIC fraternity.
They probably have enough chapters and have beena round for awhile now- I know at WKU they were an associate of the panhellenic, but they didn't do rush like we did, they did it totallly seperate.

How many chapters do you all think would be "enough" to be competitive with NPC chapters?

For some reason I thought Ceres was agricultural-based, if they were to ever petition for NPC membership, (and if what I thought was true :p) would that hurt/help them in recruitment?

At my school, they were full members of the council with full voting rights. I guess I just always assumed they were members of the NPC as well.

I see the number of NPC/NIC as more likely to decrease (through merger) than increase.

I am not so sure about the mergers though. Haven't most of the groups that have merged have involved groups that had become fairly small, less than 20 chapters. While some groups in NPC are always going to be smaller I don't see any getting to that point, at least not anytime soon. Without naming groups has anyone really heard talks of any specific NPC groups merging.

In terms of additional groups growing are there any regional/ national non-npc sororities in the npc model that are around that are at 10 chapters, let alone 20? Most of the non-npc groups that are more than 20 chapters are multi-cultural groups/ethnic groups that use nphc as a model in terms of intake styles, graduate student membership, regional collegiate chapters instead of campus based chapters, etc. Kappa Beta Gamma is a great group but I don't think they'll be at the required size for a while. The only other one I could think of is Sigma Alpha Epsilon Pi but I feel like the reason they have grown is because they don't have use NPC extension procedures.

My 2 cents...
NPC have a 27th group - no
New women's conference - probably yes

Phi Sigma Rho Sorority has been eligible for NPC membership for many years. Almost all of our chapters belong to the local Panhel. However, I do not see us joining NPC, until NPC has some type of open expansion policy like the NIC...

NIC - Open Expansion
No NIC member organization is prohibited from selecting undergraduates for the purpose of establishing a chapter on the campus of the host institution. The host institution’s Interfraternity Council may not deter expansion by withholding membership of NIC group from IFC.

NPC modified its stance on Recruitment and now has 4 recommended styles instead of the one-size fits all. So maybe NPC could continue to evolve, and modify its stance on expansion -- A change that would also greatly help the smaller NPC sororities like Theta Phi Alpha, Alpha Epsilon Phi, Sigma Delta Tau, which are three times smaller than the larger NPC sororities.

Not that SAI would/should join the NPC, but I think there would have to be a difference between "intrest" and "only." I mean, part of the membership criteria for SAI is a sincere interest in music AND at least one music class. Naturally the NPC wouldn't like the music class bit, but I wonder about the "sincere interest in music"--that seems significantly broad. There are other things that would have to change as well (ie, we don't accept first semester freshman, etc,) but even currently SAI is not limited to music majors, just 2nd semester freshman with a sincere music intrest and one music class and at least a 2.5 (or higher).

Also, wasn't AXO originally a music sorority?

Note: I'm not saying SAI should join--in fact, I'd be against it for many reasons, just using it as an example. :) (also, I'm not anti-NPC, I just appreciate the differences and value my org as it is now)

That's really kind of comparing apples and oranges though.

There are campuses with a formal recruitment where the smaller-nationally sororities are doing fabulously and the bigger-nationally groups are struggling. There's a big difference between PNMs picking a group for themselves and campuses picking a group for the whole Greek community's benefit.

The reason NPC is recommending campuses look at something other than formal rush is to benefit all of Panhel - not just certain groups. It's to increase overall membership, not just help out the smallest chapters on campuses.

NPC can't help at this point in the way you are suggesting without some sort of expansion moratorium for the bigger groups, which is about as opposite from what NIC does as you can get. The other alternative - I'm sorry, but I don't think that smaller groups should be able to expand anywhere they want like NIC groups do just because they're smaller nationally. That's crap. They chose to join NPC and follow all of NPC's rules. If any of the smaller groups don't want to follow NPC's expansion policies, they can always renounce their membership.

-33
--I feel like I just posted in the "GTFO" thread

Actually, considering the NPC's policy that you must have thirteen active chapters and the thirteenth must be at least two years old to petition for membership, Phi Sigma Rho only became eligible this year. However, you're right -- I don't see them joining the NPC for the expansion reasons you mentioned.

Phi Sigma Rho became eligible for NPC associate membership in 2002. For NPC full membership, a group has to be an associate member for several years and have at least 14 chapters, with the 14th chapter at least 2 years old. :)


:p

Well, it looks like everyone agrees that there will never be a 27th NPC sorority. Isn't it great to have agreement on GC!

I don't think anyone said that. Everyone just said that if any existing group wants to join it will have to make some concessions.

If you want to get technical, there has already been a 27th NPC sorority. :)

Luis, what GLO are you in?

Haha.

I said I think there will be a 27th, when Kappa Beta Gamma reaches the appropriate number of chapters again.



*has to be the dissenter!*

old thread but have a question :D

I tried searching the net but couldn't find anything.

people have mentioned groups leaving NPC, what groups are former NPC?

Sigma Lambda Gamma is growing exponentially. If there is one GLO that is likely to be the 27th member, it would be this one. It does have origins as a cultural sorority- but some NPC members do have some religious or professional links as well. So I think Sigma Lambda Gamma would be a likely contender, were they to choose to vie for membership.

Wow is all I gotta say for them.

Sigma Gamma Lambda has (well I counted 83, their site claims 88) chapters and 11 colonies. That is truly impressive.

From the pictures of the sisters on the site you can tell that they truly are diverse.

I wonder if they will apply for NPC membership?


Question: I know people have said that these sororities tend to not want to join NPC because of the NPC expansion rules, but aren't there perks to joining NPC that they don't have as being a "local"? (I put that in quotation marks because I'm not sure how different schools would look at them. Some schools might put them with the Panhellenic council but others might not because they aren't NPC).

They are associate members of my schools panhellenic council, but the chapter here is so small they almost never come to meetings.

They have their own meetings during the same time as PC meetings and they don't have a girl to spare to drop by unfortunately.

I don't think they will apply for membership mainly for the expansion policies that NPC has and they are likely associate Panhellenic members on most campuses if they affiliate w/ the NPC at all.

Regarding ASUSADPi's question - weren't there some NPC sororities that ended up getting absorbed by other NPC sororities (a super long time ago at least).

no.

Yes, there's a whole thread about it somewhere.

I think that number of chapters is meaningless if their chapters are not as large as the NPC groups on the campuses where they have chapters. I believe the chapter at my alma mater was smaller than the NPC groups by design, and would not have fit into the quota/total system at all, though they were an associate member of the CPH.

Seeing how Sigma Lambda Gamma is a member of NALFO, I would say no.

Briana - Kappa Beta Gamma used to be a member of NPC but their number of chapters dropped to the point that they had to drop out. They were Catholic based when they were founded but like TPA, they now accept women of all faiths. They are trying to re-enter the NPC.

that's what i was thinking - at 88 chapters (whatever the # is) they'd have to be part of some governing council.

wouldnt being part of NALFO work counter to being part of NPC, as far as which rules to follow and what not? i guess that is sorority-specific, because fraternities can be part of 2 councils without issue, right? (only example i can recall is Alpha Phi Alpha being part of NPHC/NIC)

Isn't Kappa Alpha Psi and Iota Phi Theta also members of the NIC? I think the difference is that NIC is different than NPC in that NPC orgs have all agreed to run membership recruitment within a specific system, while NIC hasn't (please correct me if I'm wrong NPC'ers). So given that Sigma Lambda Gamma's recruitment style is more similar to NPHC orgs, it would probably be difficult to switch to a different style if they became members of NPC.

Thanks! :D