Indiana Love?
 

Hello sorors and friends.
Recently I came across a post in the DST forums that asked whether there was true Coleman Love? Out of respect for DST, I didn't read it, for it said it was for Ques and Deltas only. However it was interesting to see that our sisterfriends had a simialar concern as me.
I want to know if you think that there is real Indiana Love. Now Im not asking if you consider Kappas to be our brothers. That poor dead horse has been beat TOOOO many times. lol. And technically according to my constitution and By-Laws, SGRho stands alone. But do u feel or see the respect between KAPsi and SGRho where you are? We all know that Indiana Luv is based on our founding locations and situation (being founded on predominantly white campuses) at the time. And also based on the fact that Kappas taught SGRho's to cane. But this bond, however strong or weak, doesn't seem to be recognized by all soRHOrs and NUPES. Do u think it should be? Does it really matter? I've seen sorors very upset at not just the lack of Indiana Luv but at the straight up disregard of SGRho by SOME Kappas. Just curious as to what you think?
Yeeep Out!
SoloRHO

PS: For the record, It doesn't really matter much to me either way. But personally Nupes played a huge part in my process. I feel the love from them and those in their chapters and a few select others. The way I see it, just return the love where love is given.

Greetings to SoloRho and all the Ladies of Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc. Please pardon my post, but I have a "wondering eye" when it comes to other BGLO forums.

SoloRho: I am the one who posted the "Coleman Love" topic in the Delta Forum. By no means was my title intended to scare away prospective greek repliers. Actually my title was only intended to deter non-BGLO responses. Prematurely, I assumed that Deltas and Ques would be the only ones inclined to respond to this topic; and for that I APOLOGIZE!!!

I feel that Greekchat is an open forum where all BGLO's can respond to topics of interest, irregardless of where the topic may be posted.

I am glad to see that Iam not alone in my contemplation on the "BrotherlyLove" issue!

Sorry for the long post.

"THEE BKLYNDELTA"
1913% LEGIT AND LOVIN' IT

[This message has been edited by bklyndelta (edited July 17, 2000).]

Solo, I don't know if you got it, but I just posted an e-mail on collegeclub saying the same thing...(great poodles think alike...I guess)

But my thing is basically, that it is confusing, especially for a neo when you don't know if this kappa thinks you are his soror or not, and I don't want to overstep my bounds you know.

Also I guess that the same question can be said about the Iotas too.

But then again, I get so confused sometimes...what the heck were all brothers and sisters in greekdom....'nuff said

Sisterfriend, BKLYNDelta, no apology is neccessary at all!!!
And I do completely understand your purpose of seeking only certain responses. But at this point, I'd like to hear the opinions of greeks and friends on the relationships of the Greek "families" at their respective schools. I mean, when it all comes down to it, we know it's all love anyway. But I think it's interesting when the more established families (Phirst Family, Coleman Love, Indiana Love) are not recognized. And things like the
Pretty Girlz and Pretty Boyz
or P&G Connection (Pink and Green w/ Purple and Gold)
The Pyramid Love (Delta and Alpha)
are observed. If I was to walk onto a campus like this, I think I'd be confused as ever. I'd just stand on the quad and scream "WHO LOVES ME?!?!" lol

PS BKLYNDelta, Where ya from girl? I live in Brownsville, BK.
Yeeep Out

To Blu,
Soror, I understand the confusion. But I learned to deal with it by using one simple rule. I never call ANYONE frat. And if a Nupe calls me soror, I leave it at that. And just remember in the back of my mind the love he gave me by simply calling me his sister. You could also take the lead of one of my favorite sorors (shout out to GhostFace Killah) who said that she considers any Greek man that shows her TRUE love and respect (emphasis on TRUE) to be her frat.

Yeeep Out

Thanks as usual soror, it's all a learning process and I plan on growing and learing as long as I can.

Hey SoloRho, thanx for understanding and giving a sista the "heads up" on all that love floating around. WOW! I didn't know about all of those "extramarital" affairs!! LOL LOL

By the way, I'm from Brooklyn (Clinton Hill section), but I now reside in Westchester County, soon to be a resident of Charlotte, North Carolina. WHEW!!!!

"THEE BKLYNDELTA"
1913% LEGIT AND LOVIN' IT

no problem bklyndelta. And if you're ever back in NY, look a Greek up! I could connect you with your sorors from the Omicron Alpha chapter (SJU) if you haven't already met them. I love my Delta sands. I have no hesitation in saying that they're some of the coolest girls on the yard!

SURE 'NUFF, SoloRho!!!!!!!!


"THEE BKLYNDELTA"
1913% LEGIT AND LOVIN' IT

i have been a RHOyal lady since spr 99 and i still don't know. some kappas come at me and give me the hug, hand shake and all the indiana love. when i approach others, they come off as i am bothering them. on the campus where i crossed, most kappas gave all of their love to the peppermint swirls or kappa diamonds( which i think they used to be called). so i am all confused.

can only agree with you on that Soror Rhoyal Silence. I've been a lovely Sigma since Spring of '97 and I guess it just depends on where you're at. In Ohio where I crossed it really depended on the school. The Kappas one my yard were quite shady, but just across the street at another HBCU the Kappa's were real cool. I also recall meeting a Nupe from Cali at a party and when I approached him to do the handshake he was like "sorry but where I'm from we don't get down like that" . Now up in the northern part of Ohio they were crazy cool, giving the handshake and everything. When I moved to N.C. they were cool there too. Now I live in the Baltimore/D.C. area and just the other day a Kappa through up their sign as he was passing by in his car. But had I not left the yard back in my undergraduate days I would've ever known that Indiana Love ever existed. So now just to save myself the any slightest bit of embarrassment I just let them call it. As far as I'm concerned I have love for all greeks. But when it comes to really having my back, I don't need a brother I got all of my lovely Sisters for that!!!

Loving S.G.Rho the only way to go!!!!

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SORORS I HAVE TO SAY THAT I ATTENDED AN ALL GIRL SCHOOL AND DID NOT HAVE THE PLEASURE OF BONDING WITH ANY FRATERNITY BROTHERS ESPECIALLY THE KAPPAS BUT I MUST SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN PLACES WHERE I HAVE FELT THE LOVE AND OTHER PLACES WHERE I HAVEN'T FELT THE LOVE. MOST RECENTLY I ATTENDED PHILLYGREEK AND WAS ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES BY KAPPAS AS TO WHY SORORS AND I WEREN'T STOPPING TO SHOW LOVE....THAT WAS CONFUSING BECAUSE IT IS NOT SOMETHING I AM USE TO NOR IS IT SOMETHING I SEEK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY BROTHERS....BUT AS ONE SOROR SAID ANY FRAT THAT SHOWS ME TRUE LOVE WILL RECEIVE IT BACK.

I am new to the board, but I have something to say on the subject. I have been a member of SGRho since the fall of '99 and proud of it. Well the guys who wanted to be Kappas on my campus all sat down one day and decided they did not want to call us their sisters. Now in a lot of ways that hurt and in other ways it did not. I feel that if they want to recognize us that is fine, but it does not define who I am as a SGRho. I would love to have Kappas recognize my sorority as their sister, all of them not just some. But like you said we are not truly brothers and sisters, and the only thing that should matter is the love that we show to ourselves.

Do you believe in Indiana Love?
 

Do you believe in Idiana Love?

I have visited several campusus and I have realized that there are not alot of schools that exhibit Indiana Love. And I have also noticed in this forum that Iota's call you all soro's-expain that. I will give you all my thoughts after your responce.

Kasm #2
Kappa Alpha Psi

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Hi and welcome to the forum.

What you read here is just an Iota expressing his love in this forum which I have seen and received from most of the Iotas I have met. FYI -- We are not their sorors!!

Do you want to know how I feel about Indiana Love or just my observations? be specific http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Both.



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BlueReign,
I would like to know your thoughts on both aspects of Indiana Love.

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How I feel? I think it's a special thing that both organizations were founded in Indiana and there is some history that goes with that. Beyond that -- that is just history that is all. I don't feel the need to be "claimed" as Soror by any Kappa. I am down with all.

My personal observation is that this Love varies from campus to campus, state to state, region to region. I do feel that the bond is stronger in the midwest particularly those states that are close to Indiana. But I am only going by what I see posted here and other sites and what some of my Sorors tell me. Here in D.C. I hang with everybody especially the Ques.

i have love (and respect) for those that show the same towards me......

do i believe in indiana love? - i guess no, not in the general sense (as in i dont consider a kappa to be my frat, JUST because he is a kappa). like my soror said, there is some history behind our 2 organizations - and i acknowledge and respect that - but it doesnt in anyway "dictate" to whom my loyalties should go to in regards to fraternities.

but there are a few chapters of KAPsi where we are very tight and i do consider them true family (i'll call them my frat), but the same can be said for members/chapters of A Phi A, and Phi Beta Sigma.

O.K. I guess I can understand that, because I plegded at a school where the Kappa's and the Deltas were very close and I have friends that have pledged AKA in the Georgia area schools and they call us Frat. I must be honest, I have never heard a SGRho call a Sigma Frat before. Any way when I tranfered, I noticed that there was much Indiana Love displayed, I must say that it was the most natural experience that I have had aside from my own bond, and aside from all of the other bonds that I have experienced with other sororities as well.

Kasm

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Being in Indiana I have noticed that the bond here is probably stronger than elsewhere. And as a matter of fact, the bond is closer in my opinion the closer you are to IU. I attend IUN which is about three hours away from the main campus in Bloimington. I personally find that the frat throughout Indiana are very loving.

Also if anyone is in the central region you will no doubt have better feelings toward the issue of Indiana Love because of this years regional conference that we combined with the members of KAPsi

Blu_theatrics, http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

That is great! I have always felt, with the other combinations that are displayed in greekdom dealing with Kappa Alpha Psi, there was something missing- it was like- "fake". Any way when I tranfered, I noticed at Winthrop Univ. there was much Indiana love, and coming from an school where there was none displayed, It felt different; but right. Before I transfered, the school where I originally plegded there were a good number of SGRho's, but we were divided. It seemed wrong because they were shimming and caring canes and we were doing the same, and it seemed like we should be together for deeper reasons as well. However the one thing that I do know is that reguardless as the status of Indiana Love at my first school, My brothers taught us the proper way to greet SGRho's at other schools etc... I do not have a problem with calling SGRho's my Soro's because I was taught the right way and now that I attend a "southeren school" that recognizes Indian Love- it' kool! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif

Yours in Eternal Greekdom, http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Kasm


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As far as Indiana Love, I respect Kappas who respect the bond, and I know how to greet them. I also have the strength to stand on my own and represent when they don't. I think it (Indiana Love) is a good thing, but I also respect the fact that we are all brothers and sisters.

I have never really had another fraternity member call me soror, unless he was a former Rhomeo.

Just my 22 cents,
TRSimon

I have never really had another fraternity
member call me soror, unless he was a former Rhomeo.

Just my 22 cents,
TRSimon[/B][/QUOTE]

http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gifMy point exactly, there is rift between us and it is not nessecary. I know that every where the two orginizations have charters are not always going to be close(especially in the south); but at my first school, Francis Marion Uni., there was no contact at all-and it really looked bad. My opinion is we should all mix and do projects together(various org.), however it gives your orginization appeal when you have something more to offer. And let me say for the record, we the members Kappa Alpha Psi do not need an association with any other to survive or look good, because we do it all by ourselves and we do it well(I know how people are when they come by and read things...so I had to make that known). However, why not have harmony in the songs of Greekdom, rather than discord. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Kasm

P.S. TRSimon, where are from and what school do/did you attend?

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i became a sigma woman at a school in the south (georgia) as far as indiana love goes, i know it exists.
sometimes when i show it, i am ignored or looked at like i am crazy.

but most of the kappas i know show my sorors and me mad love, and it really is different from love from omegas, alphas, and sigmas (because u know they all love a rho http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif )
but back on the subject...

one weekend i went to a greek picnic in atlanta, and for some reason i did not feel an indiana love vibe from any kappas. they were mostly hanging with aka's.

but it wasn't a problem. from what i observed,showing love differs from school to school and state to state.

i enjoy the bond that i share with the kappas i know and i acknowledge the fact that we are two separate organizations.

and i HATE when people on the outside accuse me and my sorors of trying to claim someone to be our brothers http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif

**We did not need a brother organization back in 1922 and we do not need one now or never**

that is to clear up any mis-understandings!

Sigma Gamma Rho and Kappa Alpha Psi are two independent orgs., but I find it funny that in knowing that there are members in both orgs (I find more kappas to do this) that act like it's going to kill them to be at least cordial to each other.Where I go to school in New Jersey, we are on alright terms but it more like a hi and bye thing. The Iotas be on us ALL THE TIME! LOL One kappa told my LS that he was told not to associate with Sigma Gamma Rho b/c we are fat and ugly, I almost fell out! I personally think thats why kappas act that way in general b/c of the perception that SGRhos are fat and ugly and that would mess up their pretty boy image. I just think that we need to at least be cordial to each other if not anything else!

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#7 Flipmode
Fall'99
"Traumatized"
Gamma Theta- Metro Chap.
Kean University
New Jersey

Well isn't that something!! That's really sad. Personally, I never met a pretty Kappa. They were just ok looking. And I don't think that we at least need to be cordial to each other. I don't expect no special greeting from them because I am a Rho. I try to be cordial to everybody regardless of affiliation!

Oh, and I am not fat and definitely not ugly!



[This message has been edited by BlueReign (edited June 26, 2001).]

I totally agree with Soror Flipmode7!!! We can't shake that stereotype to save our lives!! They will only call us Soror according to how WE look, I noticed that a WHOLE lot! And it's funny because 9 times out of 10 WE don't fit that mold. REGARDLESS of how a Soror looks, she still a Soror just the same!!

BlueReign I wasnt trying to say we need to be cordial with kappas b/c we are rho's what I meant soror is that A sigma, a que, alpha and especailly an iota will show us much luv before kappas will and I personally could care less if a kappa shows me luv but I just think it's sad that's all.But you can always tell which kappas that actually think that we sgrho's are all fat and ugly. It's totally FALSE and they are sadly misguided. When me and the sorors in my region get together (philly greek, etc)you can just see them staring while we walk right pass them!I get such a laugh out of it I tell you! LOL

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#7 Flipmode
Fall'99
"Traumatized"
Gamma Theta- Metro Chap.
Kean University
New Jersey

[quote]Originally posted by BlueReign:

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Personally, I never met a pretty Kappa. They were just ok looking. Oh, and I am not fat and definitely not ugly!

Personally, I nevr met a Sgrho that was fat and ugly and you really have to watch out because stereotypes are not universal, because in all actuallity, I would say that people on our yard look at another org (I won't state names) as ugly and fat and really I just don't get these stereotypes, because it seems that as balck people we would be sick and tired of stereotyping ourselves.

Most Kappa's, if they read the "pretty" Comment that was made by blu_theatrics, would and possible could take it as an insulte, however I am above that, I know and hope that you did not mean it that way. Kappa History shows us being as Diamonds(That is our symbol) not pretty boys?play boys etc...(FYI) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif, so personally I do not care if anyone thinks that I am pretty or not.Even though I am very attractive, prettiness is over rated and misunderstood. The title was bestowed upon us in the 60's and 70's because of the way we dressed and carried ourselves; it is not apart of our history; it is an undergraduate "thing". As it was stated by one of the well spoken SGRho's in this forum that this ,as well as other comments made of all Greek org's, is indeed yet another stereotype. The difference and the truth of the matter is, most people expect Kappa's to be pretty/fine/very attractive other wise people would not say things that they do and it is contradictory, and I will tell you how. It seems to me, in Greekdom, that we do not want our group to be stereotyped but other groups are expected to live up to these false images, that what's sad! For example if you see an AKA that is not the stereotypical image that is expected of them, what do most people say? Oh my God why did they let her in...the same for Kappa Alpha Psi. But if you see someone from another male organization that has a more ruff appeal, what do you say? Nothing! Because certain orginizations have a stronger persona to carry because of these myths that are handed down line after line. The fact of the matter is that we are divided as Greeks as a whole. I am not bitter when I am not recognized, however I am not nor is any of my Frat is worried about any group claiming us as Frat; but "our" Brothers. However, we are one of the only groups that you can find with any other sorority if that particular chapter choses to be all over this country, as well as SGRho. Ladies, you are beyond the price of pearls and you are queenly women. Reguardless of the stereotypes, attitudes, or negativity; I will always respect when respect is given back, because when I was made I was given my diamond along with the knowlege, that no body but Jesus can love me better that I can....that's why I love myself! Yo Yo Yooooooo!

Peace and Blessings

Kasm

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What did I say that was an insult?

Well I believe in Indiana Love and I think that when both parties (sorors and Kappas) exhibit it, it's a great thing. However, I do not like to see MY sorors throwin themselves on Nupes, "frat this and frat that", when they (Kappas) out and out say, "We are NOT your frat," or my absolute favorite, "KAPsi stands alone!" I respect the fact that we are 2 different organizations, obviously, but I don't understand why it's such a touchy issue when the whole point is to show love anyway. I don't believe that sorors should only show love to Kappas or vice versa because there's always gonna be someone in another org who shows love. I would be the first to shimmy with a Nupe or shout out a phat eeeee-yo, but not to make myself look foolish. If the love is accepted, it runs freely over this way, and that's how I think it should be!

Indy Luv to you Kasm from this Pretty poodle!

I hope ya'll don't mind but I just had a question....I've also seen SGRhos and Iota call each other Frat and Soror...is that common??

Thanks owTREgous,

Indy Love to you as well

Yip-YOooooooo! Yo Yo!

Yes, just depending on where you are.