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I truly hope that they are not misleading these "members" into thinking that they are really members because if they attempt to get involved as alumnae ever, they will be sadly disappointed. I am shocked that other chapters on campus are supporting this. :mad:

Dee

This may be too harsh of an opinion, but I'm stating it anyway. If these chapters are carrying on like this, I can definitely believe there were reasons for closing them down. It seems very disrespectful to your (inter)national organization to continue in this way, even if you believe you are doing it out of love for your org.

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A GLO who was kicked off our campus a few years back still initiates members. They wear jerseys and parade around together. Real greek life thinks they're a joke. Sad thing is the undergrounders round up freshmen who don't know any better.
A few members of that certain GLO beat up a freshmen yesterday because he was standing up for two of his femals RAs. It's sick.

I'm curious as to what the genuine Greeks on your campus has to say.

Perhaps someone in PA could kindly invite them onto GC?

'If you are not recognized by your national, you ARE NOT a chapter. If you aren't legit with your national, you aren't a member. I don't think ANY NPC allows chapters to operate this way.

If there is not a charter on the campus recognized by NPC and the national HQ of the organization, then any business conducted as a "club" would not be recognized by HQ.

So any members that "join" or become "initiated" during such membership would not be recognized by HQ as well...this being said, if someone joined "AAA" and transferred to another school which had an "AAA" chapter, they could not affiliate as their initiation was never officially recognized...

Sigma Chi Fraternity considers this "Ghosting" and a big NO NO.

WHAT IS GHOSTING?

Some highlights from the linked article.

And this.

It sounds like there are a few different issues going on with respect to "underground". :confused:

First issue is the chapter that is a recognized GLO but is not reporting their numbers back to HQ. This group isn't underground per say, just shady and will either get it's charter pulled, kicked off campus, or have a major membership restructure happen.

Second issue is the former chapter that is presenting itself as part of the national organization while it is not. I do not know legally what this may fall under, but it sounds like some sort of product infringement or unfair use of a licensed name and or product. In simple words. A bold face lie and those presenting it may be - should be - legally liable for doing so.

Third issue is the former chapter that no longer is a member of the national organization, has changed it's name, yet may continue many of the rituals etc. of the national group. Not sure what the legal aspects of this may be as well. If a group is acting as a "local", then it does not fall under the rules of the national fraternity. However, if the chapter is using copyrighted material or material that belongs to the national organization etc., (most have to return fraternity material) then I am sure there would be more legal issues involved.

Note: If these organizations are taking more PNMs from the real fraternities and sororities, then there seems to be a bigger issue with the campus as a whole. :rolleyes:

Amalia17, I am finding some of this very hard to beleive.

If that many GLOs were kicked off of campus, there would be a lot of info put out about it. Have not seen to much.

I am sure hoosier or exlurker would have picked up on it very quickly.

Vaugeness says a lot about nothing.

This happened at my school. Story goes that a fraternity was kicked off campus in the 80s and they formed an "off campus" org. Not using their former GLOs letters though. It was a bit of a problem while I was there with Hazing and all. B/C they weren't recognized as a campus organization they didn't have to follow any of the rules. Also, for some reason, guys wanted to join them, so there were issues with the off campus org taking away PNMs from the GLOs on campus, and basically robbing them of the lifetime ties and friendships that develop from belonging to and org with aims and purposes other than hazing and drinking. The last year I was there, an "off campus" sorority had actually formed. And while it was annoying, they didn't cause any real problems for the GLOs. we did have all sorts of panhel rules about being forbidden to mix with them. Its pretty weird. It wasn't much more than a gang. Now I want to point out that these were not groups that were ever interested in becoming affiliated with the campus as a Local GLO, or with a national GLO.

I searched the SRU Rocket - which goes back to 2002 - and there's nothing about any fraternities getting kicked off campus. As virulently anti-Greek as the Rocket has always been (I should know, it's part of the reason ASA is no longer there) I would think they'd be jumping on the 7 fraternities that have closed in 5 years, or the 14 that have closed in 10 years, or however many it is today.

Angel PhiSig is an advisor to her sorority's chapter at Slippery Rock, hopefully she can drop by and explain the situation from a Greek perspective.

ETA link re Lambda Chi - who have been gone (officially) since 1991. http://www.sru.edu/depts/rocket/news...ewsstory1.html

I'm with Sheila, i'd like to see some proof, otherwise this post is just spreading some vicious rumors and should be locked or deleted.

Again, like other recent posts by this poster, just reeks of sour grapes to me.

ETA: for those who do not know, OP is NOT involved in the greek community at this school, which is a PA state school that many of us Pittsburgh GCers are fairly familiar with

Right away I thought this sounded odd. I mean I see losing one or two for some reason, but to lose that many in that short of time seems odd unless it was something as far as the university not recognizing Greeks anymore or something. Are you sure that these chapters have closed and aren’t recognized by their nationals anymore. I just don’t see enough details here to believe this.

What did they do to get kicked out?


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Recently at my school we have lost many GLO's, both fraternities and sororities for various reasons.

This has nothing to do with your not being a "social Greek."

You state yourself that there is just "speculation" that the latest two are gone. There are many reasons that fraternities might not be allowed to rush - some groups are not allowed to take 1st semester freshmen unless they meet grade requirements, are RSOs etc etc. That doesn't mean they are gone and it's not cool to spread on a public forum that they are.

How about giving us the names of the groups?

33 I PM'd you

The same thing happened to a men's group on my campus. I don't know whey they were kicked off campus, but they basically formed a "secret society" and have a house and everything.

For some people, the "lifetime" part of membership is something that isn't really thought about... I mean, if these people are in college, and they KNOW they are joining an "underground" chapter, I highly doubt they are counting down the days to their first alumna tea or whatever... they are probably just joining for the kicks of it and the social opportunities they may have while they are in college.

Being a member of a GLO means different things to different people... for some it's that great feeling of being part of something way bigger than you are..meeting lifelong friends.. and helping one another (and of course the social stuff ;) ) and for others, it is just for the social stuff only... so if they want to get that from a pretend chapter, that's their thing.

It's a bummer that those groups may be making the "pnm pool" smaller for the recognized groups, but in all honesty, I don't think the recognized groups would want them anyway if they are just there for the parties and for whatever else got those chapters kicked off campus.

Again, name names because all of us on here would appreciate knowing of a group of girls or guys were NOT a chapter of our GLO but acting like it. KD left there in 99, so if there were girls acting as KD's, we would appreciate knowing it so some action could be taken. So if you're SO concerned, then name some names. Or contact the HQ of those groups. What's the point of just coming here and complaining about it?

And to reiterate what Sheila said, you've even admitted that you're speculating. Fraternities have a different punishment system than sororities. Not rushing is a popular punishment, that happens to fraternities on my campus all the time. If you're not sure, then why are you spreading the rumor?

I don't hate you for expressing your opinion. I dislike the fact that you come on here and continually b!tch and moan about the GLOs that are at Slippery Rock after you so badly tried to be a part of it. I also dislike people who start rumors and provide nothing to back it up.

I know greek life is shady up there- after KD closed, several girls from my HS who worked at the store I did during the holidays laughed that we got closed for hazing and proudly told me how badly their chapter hazed (i'm pretty sure they're still on the campus).

But you're admitting to just speculation. You have no real information on what's going on. It's just rumors that you're repeating.

Re: Underground
 

What you said just did not seem right.. so I questioned it. I don't really know anything about you so I wasn't try to get on you bc you arent a "social panhell greek". You just didn't give a lot of details to back up your story.

Also, when someone says recently I am not thinking at least over a ten year or more time frame. Plus, over a ten year time frame orgs can leave for different reasons. I am not aware of the situation of your campus, but maybe things went bad and they are trying to crack down and change things.



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Agree. My organization has this problem where people think they are members, but aren't, in many cases because a chapter that was shut down continued to operate 'underground'.

Another issue with underground chapters, at least with my org, is that the presence of an underground chapter will delay any effort to re-establish a legit chapter.

SRU GREEK LIFE
 

Why would the greek life advisor want to get rid of chapters? If there aren't any, then she won't have a job. Getting new GLOs to colonize isn't as simple as all that either... a lot of GLOs probably wouldn't have a desire to colonize at SRU.

This woman is so dangerous and such a threat? Is she going to come after you personally and attack you? Lol. She's just a low paid low level employee. What would it matter if Amalia posted the names of these so called orgs that are underground? Amalia's not in a sorority or fraternity.

If you all have such a problem with her, then you should go to your administration and to the panhellenic delegate of your sorority and/or fraternity.

I think Keyboard Courage needs to pay a visit to this thread...

Trollin, trollin, trollin

Why is it dangerous to say the names of chapters that have lost their charters? That doesn't mean they are underground.

And I really question this dis on the Greek advisor trying to "get rid" of chapters. I'm not sure how long she's been there, but I know when ASA was closed the school, the administration and Panhellenic tried to intervene w/ our nationals on their behalf. That doesn't sound like they tried to "get rid" of them. This was our nationals' decision, not the school's.

You say "they should not wear them illegally, but why are they no longer allowed to wear them??" Well, if they aren't officially initiated sisters or brothers that would be a pretty big why. The two sororities that are dormant have been gone for 5-6 years. There may still be some alums there and they're perfectly allowed to wear letters. If you're an initiated member you can wear letters any time you want. Although I remember when we closed at SRU some people saying we couldn't, which wasn't true and all the other sororities came to our defense. If groups are taking members after losing their charter that's something else.

Underground means no one knows about it, DAH!

If you don't want to get Expelled then don't be Stupid!

/Earpspeak (sorry Tom, had to do it)

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...and I remember the time when Dionysus extended the olive branch of peace to herself. :)

Let me clarify, Amalia IS a member of a "fraternity" but not a fraternity that a greek life advisor would preside over. :rolleyes: (adding this clarification b/c of a PM that I received).

This evil woman is making maybe in the mid-20's at a PA state school. How much power could she actually have?

And ditto to everything 33girl said.

Please, enlighten us as to why is must be kept a big secret who the underground chapters are...? If it's any of our chapters, why don't we have the right to be informed?

Is this woman going to cause physicah harm to you if you reveal the names?

Of course we're all going to call BS and troll when you make statements and offer nothing to support them.

or how about recently when the greekyearbook spammer created alternate personalities to talk to themselves?

Is Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity one of the ones you are counting as being lost? I'm interested to find out if they are doing anything underground. I'm an Alumni Volunteer for Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity (On the National History & Archives Committee & others) and my sister is an alumnus of the Alpha Phi Omega chapter at Slippery Rock University. (Slippery Rock's chapter of Alpha Phi Omega was declared inactive in 2004, I believe in February)

YiLFS
Randolph Finder

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Why don't you call ASA's national HQ and tell them to come up to SRU and investigate? 317-871-2920

ASA's Gamma Xi chapter at Slippery Rock was closed in fall of 1997, just to make sure there is one true fact in this thread.

If questioning someone who makes claims and offers no support to back them up makes me a mean girl, so be it. When I think of mean girls I think more of people who say nasty things all the time and call people names, neither of which i've done to you, but hey, whatever. All I ever asked for you to do is back up the accusations you started.

Funny how you say here that you don't know the facts, but yet in your PM you say, "Even this past thread about SRU greeks, apparently I am not the only one who feels this way, it is a FACT!" What exactly is a fact then? You haven't offered a single fact.

Trust me, i'm not losing any sleep over you.

The inter/national headquarters of ASA, AXP, and LXA - just to name a few - do not recognized these groups of people. Simply put, there is not a chapter of the above mentioned groups at Slippery Rock. As such, any current students claiming they are members of these GLOs, are not members.

Now as to why a group not associated with an inter/national GLO may want to claim that they are - well that's simple too. They want the prestige that goes with being associated with such fine organizations.

So we can all be clear here. ASA, AXP and LXA - to name a few - are NOT running any underground chapters at Slippery Rock.

There is no way the national/international office of those organizations would allow underground chapters. The insurance aspect alone would prevent organization to condone any underground chapters.

When you say "ASA does it" it seems as though you're saying ASA nationals are condoning it. Except for alums, there are no ASAs at Slippery Rock anymore. You're giving further credence to this alleged underground group by calling them by the sorority's name.

and like I said before, if this bothers you so much, you need to get on the horn with the national HQ's of these fraternities and sororities and tell them what is going on.

If these groups are doing the things you say they're doing, it's certainly not under the watch or permission of the national organizations, and I think your post is lacking in distinction of that. It's coming across as you saying that the national/international groups are condoning this and aiding it in going on, which is not the case. People can get letters anywhere, you don't have to provide proof of membership to order things with letters on them.

If these things are going on, then the national HQ of the groups needs to be informed.

If this greek life advisor is such a bulldog, then why hasn't she gotten rid of these groups? Why hasn't she contacted the HQ of these groups?

This is why this is hard to believe.

Yes, and no inter/national organizations in their right mind would condone an underground chapter. They are a liability to the national organizatins and other chapters in the country.

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Well obviously you care enough about what the greeks are doing at your school to make posts and start threads about it and bitch about them. So either do something proactive about it and contact the proper people or quityerbitchin. I find it hard to believe that you don't care given what you've said on here

If you don't care, why are you so defensive about not naming them? Why even start a discussion on a topic that you do not care about?