Interesting question...
 

Does anyone know if this ever happened....

Say you have a national sorority on a campus... for sake of not getting confused - we'll call it Phi Sigma Sigma (since it is national)

Well Phi Sigma Sigma gets in trouble and loses their charter and calls themself Theta Gamma Zeta now and functions as a loca.

TGZ after a few years decides to go national again and looks at other orgs... and chooses Chi Omega.

Can this happen?

NPC, Local, Different NPC?

Over a course of MANY years of course... like w/o having old Phi Sigs around when they became Chi O...

I was bored and doing too much thinking at work.

:)

For the Members that pledges as a national NPC, Phi Sigma Sigma, they can NEVER take the pledge of another NPC sorority. The Chapter may evolve into another NPC, but the original Members can NEVER become Chi Omegas. Its the same with pledging, once you pledge one sorority, you can't pledge another.

It Has Happened With Fraternities
 

There's a gentlemen's agreement among fraternities to not tread on each other's turf, but it does happen from time to time. I've seen colonies drop or be dropped from one national, and end up with another. I may have the specifics fraternities wrong, but it seems to me there was a flap not long ago about an Alpha Kappa Lambda chapter that got booted by their national and ended up as a very good Beta Theta Pi chapter after a brief stint as a local.

Same thing
 

That same thing happened to a chapter of Sigma Nu, at Tulane, they got their charter pulled, then a year later this bunch of guys became a DKE colony......Now I heard this second hand from the Pikes at Tulane, after a long night of bar hoping so it might not be true, but everyone around their seemed to confirm it.....

you're allowed to pledge another sorority after you depledge. you just can't join another sorority after intitaition. this girl went through our informal recruitment spring 01, she got a bid, started pledgeing then dropped out. this past spring 02 she was cob'd somewhere else and is intitated at that sorority.

You have to wait one year after De-pledging a national Sorority to pledge another national sorority. However after initiating into a national sorority you can never initiate into another National sorority.
However, we acyually are going through this on our campus right now. About Two years ago 4 Girls were suspended from one of the national sororites, they formed a local sorority, which has become quite strong on campus, they are now petitioning to national sororities, however the local chapter can not go national while it's founding members, who were in this other sorority, are active. They have to wait until the four of them go Alum from the local.

If by the time Chi Omega comes along all the TGZ members that were PSS sisters have graduated, there wouldn't be a problem. Because none of them have any sort of "legal" bond to PSS.

Something like that happened at my school, with a fraternity. A fraternity went through a reorganization, and only a handful of brothers were invited to remain as actives; the others became alums. The "alum" brothers formed their own local fraternity. A few years later, that local became a colony of a different national.

I don't see why the situation you describe couldn't happen. If all sisters from the PSS days had graduated, no problem. If there were still actives around who'd been initiated into PSS, they could not be initiated into XO as well... either they'd go alum or XO would wait until they'd graduated. If XO offered alum initiation to alums of TGZ, of course, those who had been initated into PSS could not accept.

This happened with fraternities at my school two or three times during my time there. Lambda Chi got in trouble, lost their charter and went Alpha Chi Lambda. Then, they got picked up by Acacia, and then lost that charter.

Theta Chi got in trouble numerous times and lost their charter. Then, they went Theta Chi Alpha, and are now in the process of chartering as a chapter of ATO.

In both situations, the brothers who were initiated in the first national fraternity all graduated by the time the second came in and took over. BUT, for homecoming and alumnae weekend, the brothers of LXA and Theta Chi go to the Acacia or ATO house, and they make banners that welcome back their alums and the old alums. It's neat. :)

What's to stop them from pledging another sorority? Its not like you run a background check on pnms. I know a few people that have transferred schools and pledged other glos.

That also happened at my school. FSU's TKE chapter (that lost it's charter after an "incident"...the guy involved actually ended up on Geraldo, as his story was so bad, it was perfect for "sensationalism TV"!) was local for ages. I can't remember exactly what they were, but eventually the group was brought into Theta Chi. That didn't last long though, as they are back to being local. They also had a "little sister" local group called KTE that was local until around 1992 that went Phi Mu. That also didn't last, as they went local again.

As for sororities, it's like others said, once you are initiated into a PANHELLENIC sorority, you can't join another one, even if you leave your first group. However, you can join a LOCAL at any time whether you leave or not. But it's beside me as to why someone would want to belong to a National AND local at the same time.

Extension, especially with DZ is more complicated that a local group "choosing" a National org. to affiliate with, so it doesn't happen that often. We chose women who exemplify the ideals of our sorority. If a local has half these type of women, and the other half do not meet our criteria, they will NOT automatically go with the other women into a DZ colony.

:)

Then these women have sadly fallen through the cracks. When you are intiated into a sorority, you pledge to be faithful to them basically forever. If you transfer and join another it's clear that these women only want to be a member of a sorority, not a sisterhood.

It's up to most Panhellenic groups at the Universities to clearly go over the transcripts and applications of potential "rushees" on their campus. If DZ found out that a newly initiated sister had lied on her application, and did belong to another org, then she would have her badge pulled.

What I'm reading is just people confusing pledging and initiation. One person refers to one, then another thinks it applies to something else.

*sigh*

With transferring, if I had been pledging, say, Sigma Kappa at one school then depledged because I was going to transfer, I'd be able to pledge a different sorority here. And I think that is what's above, not just falling through the cracks... although I do wonder sometimes since there aren't really any background checks to make sure you're not already in a npc sorority if you've transferred... what I'm wondering is why anyone would actually want to do that? If you went alum at the first one, wouldn't you be paying double the dues? (I guess you could out and out quit, but there's got to be something about a person that would make them feel cruddy--like whatever it was that made them want to be in a sisterhood to begin with)

*shrug* I dunno, I'm not sure I really need to sit and think about it.. I'm moving my stuff out of one room and taking it to where I'll be living in the fall so I guess I'll be off to that instead of pick apart the details :)

Most Panhells make you wait a year before you can repledge another sorority after depledging one. :)

From the panhellenic compact:

1. A woman who is or who has ever been an initiated member of an existing NPC fraternity shall not be eligible for membership in another NPC fraternity.

4. A signed Preference Card or a Continuous Open Bidding Acceptance Card is binding. If the rushee receives a bid under the preference system, she is ineligible to be pledged to any other national fraternity on the same campus for one calendar year. If the rushee does not receive a bid under the preference system, she is eligible for continuous open bidding. If the rushee transfers to another campus during the year, she is eligible for pledging on that campus at the earliest possible opportunity.

6. A student who has had her pledge broken by a fraternity, or who has broken her pledge to a fraternity, may not be asked to join another fraternity on the campus for one calendar year from the date she was originally pledged. However, she may be repledged by the same fraternity chapter at any time within that calendar year.

7. When a pledge transfers to another campus, her pledge is broken, and she is eligible to pledge an NPC fraternity on that campus at the earliest opportunity.

8. Pledges of a chapter whose charter has been rescinded or relinquished shall be eligible to pledge another fraternity immediately following the official release of the pledges by the fraternity. Pledges of a colony which has been dissolved shall be eligible to pledge another fraternity immediately following the official release of the pledges by the fraternity.

I think that about covers it. :)

Re: Same thing
 

TKEmz894,
Sounds like you heard parts of a couple of stories that got combined in the telling and retelling around the watering holes. I don't think it could have been a DKE colony since the Tau Lambda chapter of DKE has been at Tulane since 1898. What might have happened was that some years ago the old DKE house on Henry Clay Ave needed major repairs and the cost was going to be out of sight. I heard that the Alumni Chapter suggested selling the old house, which was on a very prime residential street, and using the proceeds along with some alumni help to buy a house on Broadway Ave which is Tulane's traditional Fraternity Row. If the SN chapter was closed then their house would probably have come up for sale and would have been a logical place for the DEKEs to buy. I have a couple of cousins who were DEKEs at Tulane a few years ago, so I'll try to call them and see if I can find out any more. I don't think initiated SN's could join DKE but if some of their pledges found themselves out in the cold with no chapter it might have been possible for some of them to have found a good fit with DKE. I'm not sure of the exact rules that apply here. Anyway, DKE has been in New Orleans since the end of the Nineteenth Century and has always had a very strong house with great Alumni support.
Best regards and Interfraternal greetings.

Imadeltaz--I'm curious. What school did you go to? You made reference to FSU but it's not Florida State...which FSU is it? :)

A girl at my school had pledge & iniated a national sorority at a huge school & then transferred to another school(my school) b/c the one she was at was too big for her. Anyways, at my school she went through recruitment, etc & became a pledge in a very popular sorotity on campus. a few months into pledging she was questioned about being iniated in a sorority at her old school (she was still a pledge). End of story....she was booted. But the thing is, (i talked to her at a party....don't know how the conversation came up) an advisor from her sorority at the previous school told her to lie, that she probably wouldn't get caught. just though I 'd share a story...but it floors me....I wonder how they found out....I'm assuming they did do a background check.....they just didn't do it right away.

Sorry :) FSU is Frostburg State University in Maryland. Florida State U is the OTHER FSU :) LOL

Now, I dont THINK I have anything to hide, but jeez all this bacground check talk is starting to freak me out. I feel like i'm trying to be part of the secret service or something. Although there is some eXCELLENT advice on this site (well, I don't KNOW it is excellent bc I havent tested it out yet), but the more I read posts on here, the more nervous I get about rush in general. I am suddenly very worried about the whole process in general, and it seems way too stressful. Maybe going through formal recuruitment just might not be for me, I am wondering if they have COB at my school, it seems like its just so much more calm, and it seems like I might be more successful in getting a bid if I was in a less stressful situation. Ok, I know this post doesnt even really belong here, but I thought I would post my nervousness anyways.

To answer that, no... They can't (or shouldn't) if they've been initiated. But pledges.. It's not uncommon for someone who didn't make the cut to try their luck somewhere else.

As far as initiates go... if that's true I hope I never meet them. Anyone that can just turn his back on his fraternity like that deserves to have the #%*( kicked out of him -- no matter what the letters.

JustThey76

I don't think there's background checks done. :D
More likely, NPC probably shares a databank of members names and affiliation. Before you initiate Nationals probably runs all the pledges name through a computer to make sure no one is double dipping!

This can happen if there are no more initiated members of the original org still there. There is no reason why the local couldnt become a different national. Like someone else stated there is no legal ties to another group. In this case I dont even think you would have to wait a year for the new members b/c the members didnt drop the chapter closed. It is a different situation.

pledging, depledging, this is confusing!
 

Hmm..I thought I'd go ahead and ask my question since the subject of transferring was brought up. Okay...let's say you pledge a local glo at your current college, thinking you would be staying there the remaining college years. But, the following year you are told you must transfer to a larger campus to finish out your degree. Well, let's also say that you make very good friends w/a national glo and since you have hardly any communication between your former glo, would it be right to pledge another? Even if they know that you did come from another school and were apart of another glo. I understand that you would probably be made to turn in your former letters and etc but...what do you all think??

76, not to worry seek and Ye shall find!

Pledgeing and being a member of a Internatioal is different!

Once you become a member as we call them Nationals you are a member for life!

This can happen for many reasons of which I will not go into!

Of course, if you are kicked out for a better word, then you are no longer a member of that Org!

Do not be afraid as it will and can be one of the most Full Filling Part of your life!

Just be a member of the Greek Community and it will open up to you! Oh, Life that is!

The Best of the Best to you!

I have a question that might seem silly but just hear me out... what happens when an initiated sister is kicked out of the sorority or chooses to deactivate. Are they eligible to pledge somewhere else since they are no longer members of the sorority even if they have been initiated?

I believe that the rule is that once one has been initiated into an organization in one of the interfraternal/panhellenic conferences (NIC, NPC, NPHC), one cannot initiate into another such organization. This is true regardless of the circumstances - transfer, deactivation, expulsion do not matter. The question is whether one has been initiated.

Someone asked about leaving an NPC org and joining a NPHC org, or vice versa. I haven't seen an answer to that - it may not have come up yet.

The consensus seems to be that membership in locals is irrelevant under the interfraternal rules, so moving from a local to a national org or vice versa is not prohibited (though an org may choose not to admit a member who has joined any other F/S under the circumstances).

But then, I'm no authority on these matters - I'm just summing up what I've seen here. I may be wrong.

No You are not wrong to a certain extint!

It is tuff in HPC, but what from I am seeing, the NHPC and MHPC have different rules!

If anyone can help with this would be great!!!

I know there are certain rules in NIC but I am far from an expert!

I Know there will be someone on this site that will be able to assist you!

You have WAY too much Energy Tom

Stan, I take that as a compliment!

It is my heart and soul for Not Only Mine But All!

I for one as one of the oldies on this Site but From a Fraternal Stand point say what I say an beleive in it as many of us do on it !

We no matter what letter society on site still feel strongly not only for ours but all others!

:) :D :cool:

What think Yea?:cool:

lol I meant that as a compliment. Upbeat people are cool

TKE209 -

If you do not initiate, you can pledge another group. If you have gone thru the initiation ceremony and become a full fledged sister, you cannot join another NPC group ever. It doesn't matter if you transfer.

When you self-terminate or are terminated (deactivated) you cannot join another NPC group ever.

The members of NPC all agreed on this so there aren't freaks out there going from campus to campus seeing how many orgs they can join.

Okay, thanks for the LONG explanation :)

Another question,

If a sister of an NPC org transfers to a place where there is no chapter, she can join a LOCAL there right? Im pretty sure that is correct... :)