UF Pike banned?
 

I just saw that UF Pike was banned. While some of his comments were disrespectful, I still think that it is sad to ban him from the board. Granted, I am not a regular poster or anything, so I don't know everything that was said, etc. I still think his opinions are valid even if I don't agree with them. :(

He is! http://plaudersmilies.de/cry.gif

RIP man, it was real!

Lets take a moment of silence.

He was banned! I'm kinda shocked. Maybe I don't know exactly what went down either because while he was certainly annoying I didn't think this was about to happen. Plus, things were a lot more entertaining with him around.

Oh well...

Yes UF_Pike was banned.

To the best of my knowledge he was banned for writing in a style that was offensive to women.

There is no hard and fast rule for banning and its not done very often. Meaning there is no set procedure. Its a very subjective process.

The most consistant criteria seems to be volume and stridency of complaints as well as their source.

So moderators and senior members tend to have more weight when calling for banning.

What usually happens is that some moderators will call for the banning of someone based on whether they believe that person's posts to be offensive to them, under the assumption that if those posters are offensive to them, and they want that person banned, a significant amount of others must also find that person offensive and must likewise want them banned.

Ultimate power in banning rests with John, the moderator of the site, however John is very busy and usually goes with the recomendation of the moderators.

So I hope I shed a little light on the banning process. Any questions?

He was banned? Owwww ... there goes a controversial member ;)

Don't worry sweetie, I'm still here. :D

Well I've never met anyone with a larger ego... Or at least one that becomes very inflated when they are anonymously on the internet:D

Anyhow.. It was entertaining!

James, not to wheedle in your Wheaties, but it was not only offensive to the Ladys of GC but some of the He Man Guys also!

I found the language and treminology very offensive!

While I an by no means an Angle, there are certain rules to be on a site by.

We are all or most having a good time on this Site and Try to help each other out if there is a question.

Yes the Moderators can ask John H to Ban an individual from the Site, but we as Moderators can Delete a threard on the site that we have a resonsability for!

If a Group has no Moderator, then one can ask John to be one and they then can inturn police that thread for any unwaywards.

I am sure John takes his task of Banning someone very carefully! We as Mods are his eyes and ears for trouble makers. I do not check everyones threads and find out only through the Mod Corner. This we way we can then check it and give our honest opinion.

I e-m UF_Pike several times trying to get him to tone his crap down! Did It Work ??? A resonding NO, ergo He is history!

It is not anyone Mods Fault but his alone for his shoddy behavior!:) :cool:

Before y'all begin to think that moderators are bad people...let me address a few things:

Dionysus, don't even THINK about it.

Oh and James, you know that wasn't the only reason why he was banned. :rolleyes:

Banning a member is not an overnight decision. After repeated requests from his own 'brothers', UF_Pike decided not to tone it down. Getting a warning from John Hammell is indeed a serious thing, but did he pay any attention to it? NO. He was given a chance to shape up but it's obvious that he had better things in mind.

I hope this thread doesn't turn into a 'crying foul' thread to slam on the moderators because NONE of the moderators have the ability to ban members as the duty rests with John.

You won't see me crying about this anytime soon. :D

James, not to wheedle in your Wheaties, but it was not only offensive to the Ladys of GC but some of the He Man Guys also!

I found the language and treminology very offensive!

While I an by no means an Angle, there are certain rules to be on a site by.

We are all or most having a good time on this Site and Try to help each other out if there is a question.

Yes the Moderators can ask John H to Ban an individual from the Site, but we as Moderators can Delete a threard on the site that we have a resonsability for!

If a Group has no Moderator, then one can ask John to be one and they then can inturn police that thread for any unwaywards.

I am sure John takes his task of Banning someone very carefully! We as Mods are his eyes and ears for trouble makers. I do not check everyones threads and find out only through the Mod Corner. This we way we can then check it and give our honest opinion.

I e-m UF_Pike several times trying to get him to tone his crap down! Did It Work ??? A resonding NO, ergo He is history!

It is not anyone Mods Fault but his alone for his shoddy behavior!:) :cool:

I for one take the position of a Moderator very seriously!:cool:

When one stops to think, it has a big resposibility behind it!

I must say I find hoosier more annoying then UF Pike. Then again we are all entitled to our opinions.

Can we ban hoosier?:rolleyes: :D

Editing this with a few faces... because I was joking... Though, I think if people are going to post they should post their opinions. And if they take the hoosier route, then they should post a few positive greek stories, because there are plenty. Unlike, hoosier, who seems to only go through and post negative stories.

Some people feel that UF_Pike's posts are offensive. I think hoosier's posts are offensive. Mostly because he does not give his opinion and is very one sided. Reminds me of Katie Couric or CNN.

tarnishing my reputation, but...
 

Ok, here I go tarnishing my reputation on here, but I feel it needs to be said simply because it's my opinion and that's what everything on here is based on, opinion.

Banning UF_Pike from this board is ridiculous. We all have people on here that cause a stir in all of us or that we just feel are inappropriate, now granted not to the extent that he was, but still, we all have those people. So what do adults do? They ignore what offends them. Therefore, I ignore the people I find obnoxious and do not respond to their comments. Telling on someone and having them banned from a public message board where we ALL state our opinions is completely uncalled for. We definitely DO NOT AGREE with many of the things he said, but I don't agree with many things said on here and the bottom line is knowing him better than the rest of ya'll...he is a decent guy, he is a smart ass, but to find the humor in the things he says, you kind of have to know him. And obviously he's someone that made enough of an impression on ya'll to warrant the many responses to him. And as I said to a Phi Mu sister of mine on here, my organization taught me not to judge people before I know them, therefore, I chose to get to know him before writing him off as an ass. Thank the Lord I did because he's honestly a hilarious man, on and off the board. It's absurd that people on here would rather get rid of someone that rocks the boat than respect his opinions and statements, whether they offend you or not. Like it or not he really is a Pike and really is greek...just like the rest of us...though I do in some ways think he's a little more mature than the rest of us on here who told on him to get the spotlight back on themselves.

Shame on you. Grow up! And if you think I'm full of shit from now on fine, but at least I know that I did the proper thing as a greek would do and knew the person instead of their internet horseshat.

Tara

Banning is a long process and John takes every moderator's opinion and concern into his decision. He also takes his own opinions into account. John had read through some of UF Pike's posts and found them offensive. John made the ultimate decision to ban him.
There have been numerous time where moderator's have asked for someone to be banned and John thought that it wasn't necessary. John carefully reads through the accused's posts and makes an intelligent and well thought-out decision on whether the person should stay or not.

NO NO on Hoosier! What is the Problem here?

Hoosier Tells it like it is as does Delta Alum and My self, James, Lenoxx. and others!

We may not like to hear the truth, but if it happened, then it is the Truth!

DA and Hoosier Report onloy what they get from other Sites and Threads!

Is there a problem with the Truth?

While I may not agree, if it is the truth then why try to Ban someone for telling it?

He has been a help to KTSNAKE and Myself and Neither of us are members of his Fraternity! That Is What Fraternalism is about!

Tell me Why You want us to ban him again?

Be more specific. Is he a Perfect AssWhole, Does He use specifally Offensive Language?

Has to be more than this!

Are You an Ex Wife?

Give More Info, being banned is not taken lightly!

Re: tarnishing my reputation, but...
 

I COMPLETELY AGREE. I am not a UF_Pike Cheerleader or anything, but y'all are just as guilty as he is. He came on GC SOLELY to stir the pot, and with each response, you all fed into that. If you didn't like what UF_Pike had to say, you didn't have to respond. In fact, some of the responses to his posts were downright inflammatory.

Most of you took the opportunity to bash the pic he put up about being a stud, trying to justify your words by saying he deserved it. Not ONCE did UF_Pike go into the actual picture thread and post any disparaging remarks about any of you.

If you didn't agree with him, that is fine. But when his posts were blantantly meant to be attention-grabbers, the best thing to do would have been to ignore him.

The bottom line is, as Moderators, you all DO have some say-so in a member's getting banned. You said it yourself, people must complain repeatedly to John H. Don't try to absolve yourselves of responsibility because people are questioning your decision.

At the end of the day, it really does not affect me one way or the other...I am still here to post. I just think that the sensitivity of some people is, to use a Tom Earp word, UNDERWHELMING.

I knew it was only a matter of time til the masses raised their pitchforks and marched around with lit torches and UF_Pike was banned. He had many inflammatory posts, but sometimes he didn't mean to piss everyone off, we just didn't care for his choice of words.

But don't we all know someone like that? Someone who speaks their mind and expects you to do the same? He posted once on the PKA forum that "if he can't be himself among his own brothers, who can he be himself with?" I sympathized, b/c honestly I know that what I post here is not always the whole story.

Only with your own friends can you be truly yourself, I guess. We share some offensive things with each other, but we know where we're coming from and that we're not bad people so we try and understand what is being said before jumping all over them. (Actually, with my very best friends I can say anything I want and I know they would never think less of me.) The thing is, this is the internet and what we post is taken at face value and maybe we have to try harder to see who is saying what before we condemn them.

He was irreverant but real and in some ways reminded me of my own friends who others judged too quickly.

In the real world we can't just do this. We can't just say, "I don't like you, I don't like what you're saying, would you please shut up?" and then OFF them (legally.)

I was just waiting for the day when more people gave him a chance, but I guess that day will never come.

Oy. I guess I missed many of this guy's infamous posts, because the ones I remember reading made me more amused than angry. To me, he didn't come across as rude...just the average smart-arse who liked to get people going. Maybe he did say some things that weren't very nice, I don't know, but I sure got a kick out of reading his posts!

Let me take a moment here to post the Greek Chat forum rules - which all members read and agreed to prior to registering...

Now, UF_Pike broke the defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscense, profane, sexually oriented rule many many times. And of course, I'm not going to deny that so have many of "us" - but we are still here and we know what limits not to cross. UF_Pike did not. He was asked by his brothers to tone it down, by the moderators, and even John himself. He did not follow John's request and thus, was banned.

The goal of Greek Chat is to make this a comfortable and welcoming place to discuss and even debate greek related things - you can debate and disagree without being disrespectful; and UF_Pike most certainly did not do that.

I'm one of those people that chose not to mouth off at UF_Pike everytime he made those disrespecting comments, so you can't call me guilty in being just as bad as he is. :rolleyes: And as for the picture thread, he didn't have to go into the "WHAT DO YOU LOOK LIKE?" thread to make a comment about me or any other GCer, he would've done it as soon as someone disagreed with him.

Simply put--RULES ARE RULES....and I'm sick and tired of hearing that "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT" BS because it's easier said than done. I try to read a thread and what did I find? UF_Pike's posts.

We want to make GC a place for everyone to enjoy, but comments like his aren't acceptable (as stated in the Registration terms). You and I all agreed to accept those terms so we can post here, but if you don't like it, then I'm sorry. Maybe this isn't the place for you. :rolleyes:

I don't expect GreekChat to be a utopia where everyone gets along with each other, and frankly UF_Pike wasn't as bad as three other individuals who got their butts exiled a long time ago, but no one deserved to be subjected to his flammatory comments. I believe GC Administration did the right thing by banning him.

In regards to what he's like in person
 

I know some people have said that UF_Pike is a great guy in person and we just all needed to get to know him, etc. But the fact is that this is an internet discussion board. It doesn't really matter what people are like in person, as the likelihood of any of us meeting many GCers is slim to none. How he represented himself on these boards is all that comes into play here. If he's such a great guy in person, then he shouldn't have used the disgusting language that he did. How many posts did someone simply ask him to tone it down, and he came back with a personal attack?

Maybe some would say that I'm missing out on knowing a great person, but based on the things he said and the kind of language he used to say them, I have zero desire to ever know what he's "really" like. I know enough just by reading his posts. If that wasn't the real him, then he should have thought before posting.

Sorry if that offends anyone, but he offended me.

Question: If you chose to ignore posts by specific GC'ers, what happens when they post new threads? Do you just see the thread and reponses to it, but not anything further from the creator of the thread? Or, do you even see the thread at all?

I'm kinda :confused: because I thought you could chose to ignore posts. I don't use this feature (yet) so I don't know how it works.

As far as the banning of UF_Pike goes, I'm with PhiMuNursie. His posts were kinda jerk-offy, but I didn't think for a moment he would be banned or even deserved to be. Seemed to me, he just wanted to stir things up a bit...and that he did. But, what is intolerably offensive to some, may not be to others. Oh well...

@ Dionysus ~ (in my Austin Powers voice) behave... :D But seriously, I just want to give you a shout out for... well, I'm sure you know. :p Keep it up!!

About UF_Pike
 

I'm new to post on here and have recently found out about this site. One of my sisters told me to post on here because Craig (UF_Pike) is on here all the time. She said he's stirring up some mixed emotions on this board. I have read the posts he has made and after knowing him and dating him for 17 months, I thought some of his posts were funny. By knowing Craig (UF_Pike) and reading the posts he has written, I saw the humour in them. I have spoken with him about his "thing" for girls in my sorority. Many of my sisters go out on dates with him, even though I dont like it. So with that said, its not hard to see why he has a thing for my sisters. The two of us have talked and he said he would stop writing negative things about sorority girls. I dont think he should be banned. I am a newcomer to this site so I don't have much say in this. After reading some of the other posts made by individuals on this site, he is not the only one who has said negative things or used vulgar language. If the moderators of this board are going to ban him, then they should also ban the others who say offensive things or use vulgar language. It is not hard to see that there are people on here that don't like him. However, do all of you like everything that everyone else writes on here? None of you are offended by the posts made by others on here? The first to say so is lying. Life is not all peaches and cream ladies and neither are men. He does have an ego problem but it is not entirely his fault. As much as I did not like it, when we would go out he constantly had girls hitting on him. As with any guy, his head swells when it happens. Many of my sisters think he is very cute and it sometimes causes problems in our house when we get together for chapter. Those of you from Gainesville that have been around since there was the old Pi Kappa Alpha chapter, you know that he is just like his brothers from their old chapter. They are all cocky, weight lifting freaks and from south florida. This is the typical attitude of many guys from West Palm, Miami, FT lauderdale and Boca Raton. They are cute but sometimes their egos make them unattractive. I'm not here to make him look good and try to convince the moderators of this board to let him back. I am writing this to help some of you see that just as he made generalizations of girls in certain sororities without knowing them, you are doing the same. Most of you do not know what the guys are like here at UF because you've never been here. He is the typical frat boy. We are all grown ups. If we dont like something someone says, we should ignore it and not get our friends to email the moderators to try and have someone kicked off. I think that is more immature than any post he has made in the past. If we looked at all the posts made by people on here during their entire tenure on this site, I bet we could find something that violated the rules posted by OohTeenyWahine. Why then are not those people banned? If you do something to one then it is only fair to do the same to the others. Here are just a few I saw fighting with UF_Pike and I would say violated the rules stated, SigmaChiGuy ---"Don't let this douchebag fool ya. This more than likely is not him, and he is not a Pike anyway. He has been on here for months stirring up shit."---This is violating the rules., KaBillymac---His use of vulgar language, Shultzz---I don't have to go into detail on him. All three of these boys have violated the rules. I hate to point out other peoples bad side but they have all did the same as UF_Pike. Think about it.

Jenn

UF_Pike is getting more attention now than before he was banned. :rolleyes:
I don't know the guy, but he didn't seem that bad to me. I noticed that in his last few days on GC he actually deleted some of his more controversial posts which demonstrates growth on his part.

I understand the banning, but I gotta agree that when I say he didnt offend me and I found the post amusing and dont think he really deserved to be banned. I have found other post far more offensive honestly. To me it was like he kept going on b/c people were feeding him the reaction that he wanted to get out of them. Shock-value entertainment (i.e Howard Stern-like crap). I took it with a grain of salt and left it. But hey, rules are rules. I still Luv ya Earp, even though we disagree on this :D

I've never suggested anyone be banned and probably won't. However, this guy came very close.

He seemed to write purely for shock value. There was seldom any logic to his rantings, more normally simple sexist drivel and adolescent comments.

His posts were offensive to women, and frankly, embarassing to many of us men. He wrote and acted like an oversexed middle school student. The lack of respect for others and immaturity in his posts were...well, hard to believe.

He appeared to exhibit the antithesis of the kind of behavior for which fraternity MEN are supposed to strive.

In my estimation, most of the "offensive" posts here on GC are deemed that because a number of people disagree strongly with a point of view or the way something is argued. Sometimes they're offensive, sometimes not. Other times "offensive" posts are simply due to a mistake in writing and/or misunderstood by the offended party or parties.

I don't believe that either of the above were the case with the man in question. I think that he knew he was being offensive, going on with his posts anyway, and sitting back to watch the fireworks.

My feeling is that this ban is justified.

Tom, OTW, and IHE are correct, rules are rules. John and the mods have the right to ban anyone who breaks the rules. Though the non-mods may not always agree.

UF_Pike did not irritate me that much, eventhough I disagreed with some of the things he said. Neither does any other "troublemakers" or controversial members. But, I have to admit, a lot of his posts were :D or :eek:! However, he and other controversial people DID irritate some. He was not the first and he DEFINATELY as long as this site is up will not be the last to rock the boat. So next time, if someone like UF_Pike, Hatchett, Kerstin, Barbara, Drunknole, VictoriaSecret/VictoriaSecret2/VictoriaSecret3/
VictoriaSecret4/VictoriaSecret5/VictoriaSecret6/
VictoriaSecret7/VictoriaSecret8/VictoriaSecreat9/
VictoriaSecret10/VictoriaSecret11/SableCherub/
SistaRizin/Celestialblue, or me in my pre-Dionysus days, irritates someone IGNORE THEM! Trust ME it works, when you're raising hell, you don't expect to get your a$$ kissed, drama is the goal. If someone is searching for drama and don't get it, they'll leave so fast that your head will spin or get their act together.

True. I should have been banned long ago if thoe rules didnt apply. I think alot goes unoticed here if its not sent right to John. So yeah, the rules apply for me too. Ive thought alot of the bans on here were wrong, and likewise, alot of the stuff ive said on here could have got me banned and were wrong. I guess its all how the natives take it.

According to the Pi Kappa Alpha Chapter at my school, they're supposed to be:

Gentlemen
Scholars
Athletes
Leaders

Don't know the guy, don't know about the lower 3... But no gentleman would talk like that. A poor representation of his founders' intentions.

HA HA HA!!!!!!!!



That is sooo funny! :D

ktsnake
It's

Scholars
Leaders
Athletes
Gentlemen



no more shit talking please

Let us not foget, that there are rules and when someone Breaks those rules, then they are goner!

This was discussed in the Mod Corner alot!

We do not take it lightly as We have a resposibility to try and do the best for the Whole site!

He was getting totaly off board when posting.

Some may have been funny but many were very funny but very vulgar! Not to some of the degree that some of us may do, but overboard of the things he said!

This is not a Site that you have a right to belong to but a site that you are inviteted to join, Do you want to be one of us? Or not!?

No We are not always right but I have seen Myself and several others who have become Mods who have changed Attitudes about how they post because it is a damn important thing that we do when it comes to banning an Individual!

I do not take it lightly! I take it as a thing that I can do to help my fellow Greeks!

Try and do this site for what its ment for, give bad or good rap but do not be a perfect AssWhole! That Is my Job!:D

I am older than dirt, so dont FU*^ With Me!:cool:

Well Just Thought I would Throw that in!

And so has every one else that slams him back. Drama makes gc go round.

People who disagreed with uf pike certainly were disrespectful. I am not sticking up for him but its pretty funny. This situation is like professional wrestling. There are good guys and bad guys but everyone is pretty much in the same boat. Uf pike certainly was a bad guy and made no bones about it. The people who slammed him.....like the 20 posts after his origional post are all the good guys.

Another thing too...... uf pike is a lot better than most of the troublemakers on here. It's just that there hasn't been much controversy on here lately and things had been going really good.

That is all.

Thrillhouse,

With due respect for your opinion, I find it hard to believe you were reading the same posts that I was. At least you apparantely didn't feel the same intent on his part as I.

Here's what I think is the difference in this case. In the past members have been banned for being disrespectful or using lewd or otherwise inappropriate language in the course of argument or debate.

In this case, at least as I see it, this guy was using it simply for the shock value. This wasn't debate, it was name calling. I think he was trying to offend. I believe that is a worse offense.

Opinion is one thing. I don't think that was the case here.

So, since it's a matter of opinion -- that's mine.

UF_Pike was ok.

You just had to know that he was looking for a reaction, and not give him what he wanted. People on GC don't know how to do that, unfortunately.

Everyone has their own opinions and I respect the other side but like lovelyivy said, its all in how you look at it.

That is all

Though I have no problem with UF_Pike, I don't see in ANY WAY what makes him better than any other "troublemakers" on here. I'm surprised that he did not get banned a whole lot earlier.

I'm not sorry to see him go. Period.

I wish I would have become a member on here earlier. I'm not sure how much of a pleasure it is all the time, but I see him out often at certain clubs and bars and we socialize often, good and bad. I too will miss him online if he doesn't come back.


Jenn