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U.S. Breaks International Law By Executing Mexican National
Did anyone else read or hear about this? What do you think?
http://m.cnn.com/primary/_NbLYlh-idKHx2lIva#page2 |
Rape and murder of an underage American girl? I say cut his head off with an blunt axe.
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If the U.S. violated international law, this needs to be addressed.
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That's why I said "if." I am not going to think too much about this issue but I'm sure someone is working on the investigation and so forth. The U.S. is the U.S. so they will probably find that the U.S. didn't violate international law. However, if they find the U.S. did violate international law, it should somehow be addressed.
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What international law?
There's no international army last I checked. :) |
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Had he identified as a Mexican national upon his arrest, chances are he WOULD have been advised he could contact his consul.
The moral of the story is - don't lie about your citizenship. And we've been through this before - 3 years ago a Mexican national in a similar situation. was executed To the best of my knowledge, we've not had an increase in the number of American citizens who kill citizens in other countries (no one is disputing whether or not Garcia did the heinous crime) and then lie about their citizenship, resulting in their not being allowed consular access and then being executed. |
The problem is, despite as heinous as this guy was, other countries won't necessarily look at all the specifics of his case before refusing consular assistance to Americans arrested in their jurisdictions. We are already on shaky diplomatic grounds with Mexico, and several world countries see us as bullies. We can argue the specifics all we want, but many of these countries have used situations like this to ignore our pleas. Would it really have hurt to hold off killing him to let him have a hearing with his Mexican consul? If you had the evidence to convict him and sentence him to death, it should be a formality.
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What I don't get is why they never found out he was actually Mexican before he was executed. I know he lied, but aren't all those "facts" checked ohne ende before executing someone?
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Didn't help Amanda Knox.
And being on good terms with Mexico hasn't helped Americans caught in the wrong parts of Mexico before. |
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And you know better. Why do you troll? |
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I believe other countries have to recognize that death is an option and though they can advocate for lighter sentences, if it does not occur you shouldn't take your toys and go home. |
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I agree that we shouldn't change our rulings just to make another country happier with the verdict. Mexico is even trickier because so many of her citizens come here not to visit but by migration. The man executed wasn't here on a trip, or just here to go to school, he was here to live permanently as a citizen. Therefore, if he wants to live here as a citizen, he should be subject to all laws and the consequences of breaking those laws as any citizen is, regardless of where he was born. Why should he get any preferential treatment? Just my honest opinion. |
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They could've just give the dude access, somebody from the consulate said hello and we can't help. Then off with his head, no harm done. |
Amanda Knox identified herself as an American. Hence she was offered consular access.
Garcia did NOT identify as a Mexican citizen, and we all know that it would be horribly racist to assume he was Mexican because of the way he looked. Laws which would require police to confirm citizenship are regularly denounced as racist, so there you go. Since he identified himself as an American citizen, he was not offered consular access. |
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/or we could stop executing people... |
Don't mistake me - I think Perry was once again an ass to not grant the 30 day reprieve to review whether or not consul access would have made a difference in the trial. At this point, what's 30 days? I do have every confidence that any review would end up confirming the verdict.
Given that Garcia himself admitted to the crime, I'm not shedding big salty tears over someone who tried to play the system and ended up shooting himself in the foot. eta - I have tried in vain to establish exactly when Garcia revealed his nationality. It was not during the trial; the closest I can come is the fact he appealed on the basis of his not being given consular access in 1998. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medell%C3%ADn_v._Texas since 2008, no act of congress has happened, either. |
SWTXBelle- This guy was already sitting on death row when he came forward that he was a MX national and started crying that he never received access to the MX consulate. The Consulate really couldn't do anything for this guy anyway post conviction other than make funeral/body transfer arrangements (if his wish was to be buried in MX). What Leal-Garcia and his lawyers were really aiming for was clemency from the governor based on the fact that he wasn't allowed access to the consulate during his initial trial. From what I've gathered they wanted a new trial or a commuted sentence.
I also think any comparisons to Knox or the Iranian hiking group are totally off base as well. |
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Depends on the type of comparison you are making. |
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