Gun toting mom found dead
 

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article...ound_shot_dead


Sad story. I have to admit though I was quite intrigued by the incident they mentioned when she carried her Glock to a soccer game. I had never heard about that.

Overwhelming irony.

It's funny to me that you folks in the northeast have these attitude surrounding guns. In Oklahoma, it'd be odd to be at a soccer game where at least one parent wasn't packing heat.

Gotta ask...BUT...why would a soccer mom need heat at a soccer game?


This is why the NFL can't risk a franchise (having a losing season) there....LOL

it would be murder!

It's not all the Northeast--I'd say just the areas around the big cities. I know that there are wide swaths of upstate New York and Pennsylvania, not to mention rural/exurban New England, where packing heat is pretty common. Also, didn't you ever watch The Sopranos? ;)

I grew up in Florida which is Gun World. Did I ever tell the story about my nephew wanting to join the NRA?

Personal protection -- the same reason most folks carry a concealed weapon. I don't personally carry, but lots of my friends do. When I start doing criminal defense work (I'm putting my name on the public defender's appointments list at the federal courthouse), I'll definitely be getting my conceal & carry license. I'd be a fool not to.

This lady was apparently a victim of domestic abuse. She may have been carrying the weapon to protect her from her husband, a parole officer who also probably carried.

Great, so they shot each other.


I got that part.

But, I mean this isn't the wild wild west (sorry I live on the east coast so forgive my not understanding) but what kind of personal protection do you need watching your kids play an organized sport?

(I'm asking rhetotically because while it makes sense to you, I can't wrap my head around it regardless of the explanation.)

Usually, when someone carries a weapon, they carry it with them at all times when permitted. If you believe you need a firearm for personal protection, why would you ever leave it at home?

A friend of mine has had to draw his weapon twice. He lives in a bad part of town. Both times, he successfully avoided being mugged while filling up at a gas station. He never had to fire, but the gun very well may have saved his life. It definitely protected his stuff.

I guess but just for myself, I grew up in some pretty rough parts of town but never needed to pack, much less needed to be packing to go to a kiddie sporting event so the significance is lost on me with this story.

Still tragic all the same.

A lot of folks live in houses without security systems and never need 'em. Same story. It's just an additional measure of security. I know if someone wants to make me a victim, I'd much rather have a gun than not have a gun.

When you say "you folks" who are you referring to exactly? I almost get the impression that I'M included in that statement.

Oh shut the hell up.:rolleyes:

Really though... attitudes are different in the northeast with regard to concealed weapons. Look at the laws. I don't know whether you're in the NE or not. If you are, then yes, I'm referring to you. If not, then no. It really isn't too difficult to divine the meaning of what I said.

A tad oversensitive, aren't we?

I believe he's referring just to Northeasterners, and I think he's correct (at least in New England). I don't know many people who carry handguns. It's just not something we see a whole lot in the New England area (especially around the cities, as Munchkin noted).

You didn't need to use the word "you" because that implies that you think I am included in your ideas about how people who live in the northeast feel about guns. You don't actually KNOW my feelings about guns so don't lump me in that group.

That's not being oversensitive because he's lumping me into the category of how he THINKS people in the northeast feel about guns. He doesn't know ANYTHING about how I feel about carrying guns.

Darlin', I wasn't even replying to you. The internet is not about you.

DI2....I actually get the gist of what he is saying (and Kevin correct me if I am wrong) but most of us middle to north easterners live in or near large urban areas where guns are already enough of a problem and we (regardless of racial or social backgrounds) have no real need to perpetuate the problem BY CARRYING a gun also, which is why, IMO it's lost on me that Oklahomans have a need to carry a gun to a soccer game if it's just the norm.

Then don't say "you" northeasterners.

It really is that simple.

I know what YOU mean DS, but his choice of words was very poor. And he is making too many assumptions out of nowhere. I don't even know how he decided that "us" northeasterners feel any sort of way when no one had actually made any substantive comments prior to his post. I posted the story, Dr. Phil said it was ironic. I'm still trying to figure out how we got to "us" northeasterners and "our" attitude about guns. I mean. at that point, what northeasterners had actually SAID anything about how they felt about guns?

The phrase "you folks in the Northeast" is perfectly correct from a grammar standpoint, and is non-inclusive either by connotation or denotation. Taking offense to it is silly.

Even if you assume it to be a generalized majority (which seems fair), you have to lump yourself into that majority group to get anywhere near the level you're aiming for.

I disagree.


I think that if I asked enough folks across the different strata they may also find what Oklahomans do a bit different.

Criminals prey on the weak and unprotected. Carrying a gun, particularly openly as Melanie Hain did, lets the bad guy know you're neither.

Average response time for police varies from area to area, but you can almost guarantee when the dipshit whacko starts shooting at a kids' soccer game, or a college campus, or a mall, or a church, or any other place "you don't need a gun", the police won't be there in time to stop it.

Well it didn't protect Melanie from her husband.

This article (and I am not sure if it's the same as originally posted) confirms that Scott did it.

He shot her with his own gun while hers was in a backpack at the front door.

Yeah.

We're weird about exercising our Constitutional liberties 'round these parts. What can I say?

And that's why I got what you said with the 'you northeasterners' remark and when I read it happened in Lebanon PA...wweeeeeelll.

But back to the meat of the story itself.

Sad that a gun toting gun rights advocate just happened to die by her husband's gun.

What the community and family there may never find out will be how much abuse if any she suffered under her husband and why she didn't shoot him instead.

Going by what you said, carrying a gun for protection, well you almost have to figure the one she needed to be protected from the most lived under the same roof.

DI2, did you know that French people like cheese and wine?

-- God I hope you're not French 'cuz that'd somehow be offensive to you as well I guess?

If the shoe doesn't fit - don't wear it.
- Cinderella

This shows just how idiotic you are. This statement is nothing like what you posted.

And I don't consider NC to be a northeastern state.

But to solidify what's being said...
You wouldn't find it offensive if I said "you boys of xyz frat are really racist in your candidate selection process," right?

Um and that would be wrong. He could have easily said, "people in the northeast..." You know that. But because you are just determined to be on the opposite of whatever I am saying, you are trying to find a way to make what he said okay.

DI this is where I have to step in.

1. Your article. The incident happened in PA Carrying around a gun, much less to a kids sporting event was not deemed normal.

2. Kevin's comment in proximity to your OP because you were in shock.

3. Kevin made it abundantly clear that it's common in Oklahoma that people to carry concealed weapons.

3a. And due to that, his 'you northeasterners' I divine to be in reference to the people in PA who were up in arms about this woman bearing arms who made her get her licence suspended.

I know plenty of people in PA that packed heat ALL THE TIME.

But I get the "you northeasterners."

I lived in some pretty "red-necky" parts that didn't really identify with urban areas and urban problems (even some parts of Pittsburgh when I lived there). Overwhelmingly, I think at least, gun control issues are more prevalent in more urban areas (except, obviously, in this case).

Well I'm not in PA so where does the "you" come in?
And how was I in shock?

One half-page about the article so far.

2 1/2 pages about DI's butthurtedness.

exactamundo.

Thank you agzg!

lol I know people in NY and NJ that do the same.

sigh....ok...not 'shock' but 'you' never heard of that before.

and 2...for the love of God, Kevin was not referring to you...the 'you' he referred to was the people of Leba frickin' non, PA.

The people I know in NY don't pack heat because they can't fit their 12 guage into a holster.

We's a huntin' people. You get a shot gun for your 15th birthday around my parts. Not a lot of handguns though.

NOW....can we get back to the fact that her personal protection didn't save her from her hubby???

It could have had she been carrying when she was attacked...

lol Yeah that's kind of how it is around here.