Charles Manson follower Susan Atkins dies
 

LOS ANGELES – Susan Atkins, a follower of cult leader Charles Manson whose remorseless witness stand confession to killing pregnant actress Sharon Tate in 1969 shocked the world, has died. She was 61 and had been suffering from brain cancer.

Atkins' death comes less than a month after a parole board turned down the terminally ill woman's last chance at freedom on Sept. 2. She was brought to the hearing on a gurney and slept through most of it.

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I remember seeing footage of her being wheeled into court looking like she was barely alive. Brain cancer...ugh...horrendous. It was sad seeing her like that, but then I reminded myself of why she was incarcerated and thought about the families who fought to keep her behind bars.

R.I.P. and some would consider this proof that payback's a bitch.

I know, too bad she wasn't locked up in Scotland.

Wow. o.k. let me get this straight. Susan Atkins received a free college education/degree, she ate for free, got married twice, I also know she had a child in prison (something she denied Sharon Tate) and I'm just now learning that she even had a highly expensive medical procedure done...brain surgery?...free? I know a few students who had to stop going to school because of money, but Susan Atkins went and finished for free. I don't know how many innocent Americans there are without medical insurance, (I know it's a lot) but Susan Atkins gets major surgery to keep her alive a little longer (when she denied Sharon Tate and others their lives) for free. Awesome!

Ya know, I think she's received a ton of benefits (all paid for) that most innocent Americans would love to receive.

And she received all of it with all expenses paid for doing THIS.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=susdVTkLeg4

I have no remorse for her! NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.....

I have no remorse for her either. I just hope for her soul, she came to Jesus during her time in prison.

I'm not saying she didn't deserve life in prison or even the death penalty (although I hesitate to say that anyone deserves the death penalty), but it seems like you folks are denying that her life had any value whatsoever, when even the victims' families admitted that she had done good works while in prison.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/25/...manson.atkins/

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituari...2.story?page=1

For what it's worth, the apologized part is conflicting other reports - the Tate family denies that she ever apologized to them.

I'm not saying that she didn't live a very depraved and horrible life, for the most part, but I'm not sure people are thinking about the fact that Charles Manson brainwashed and pretty much controlled an entire group of people who would do ANYTHING for him, even kill. Yes, they are ultimately responsible for their actions, but no one at this point is talking about the culpability that Manson holds in her fate.

Did she commit a horrible crime? Yes. Did she deserve to be punished? Yes. But, if one believes in God, she's in God's hands now, and it's no longer society's place to condemn her. Cancer, especially brain cancer, is a horrible experience, and I wouldn't wish it on even my worst enemy. Also, I wouldn't wish the experience of moving on after surviving someone who passed due to cancer, even if they're in prison.

I feel bad for her husband and child. I'm sure they're going through a pretty rough time. I feel bad for her victims' families as well, it seems that they've never gotten full closure and I'm sure they're doing some mourning of their own as well.

I agree. As much as I wanna think that the cancer was her payback, I would never wish cancer on anyone.

I hope for her sake, that her turn to Christianity wasn't fake, or to show that she somehow changed in prison. If she truly did, then hey if God can forgive her, then so can I (but idk how i would feel if it was my family member she murdered).

Did she really have a husband? Were they married before she went to prison or after? That's random, I never knew that.

She was married twice while in prison.

Interesting. The more you know.... lol

And the second time was to her Harvard-graduate lawyer. :confused:

I don't believe ANY of the Manson followers/killers are sorry - look in their eyes when you see them at parole hearings. I still can't believe they let Squeaky Fromme out when she is the most likely of anyone to keep on keepin' on with Charlie's mission, IMO.

Don't they all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otm7IFhwDQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DboP4gT3p_I


Right, that's why I was :confused: too.

I agree. I mean, I do believe anyone can come to Chirst because He knows the heart. I just think these monsters only use Christ so they can get out of of prison. Let them out, and I would bet everything I worked hard for that they would use drugs and murder again and again. Susan Atkins was a practicing devil worshiper, and she was also Manson's closest aide. She studied Satanism and even convinced Charles Manson himself that his name was significant. In her sick, twisted logic, she told him it meant "Man-Son" or "Son of Man", or "Christ". She also told him he's the devil too. Which is why Charles Manson (to this very day) believes he's Jesus Christ and the devil too. And let me add, all of Charles Manson's sick, sadistic teachings to his followers came from the Beatles White Album. And she now calls herself a "born again Christian?"....whatever. And for the greekchat members who believe this sick monster is sincere in her apologies, I know that if it was one of your loved ones who she stabbed 16 times, tasted their blood, and wrote on the wall "Political Piggies" or "Pigs" or "Healter Skelter" (as she spelled it) you would be singing a different tune. I'm with you 33girl.

Just to clarify that Beatles reference, he twisted their lyrics - they have gone on record countless times saying so. Helter Skelter is a plain old just make it loud song, for pity's sake. (Not to mention spelling it wrong on the wall.) I didn't think you were saying otherwise but I'm sensitive where my boys are concerned. So not only is Charlie a freak, he's an unoriginal freak.

. . . and may she rot in hell.

She may receive forgiveness in the next world, but none here. When you do the sort of depraved things she did, your life should be forfeit, be it spent behind bars or be it extinguished by a chemical cocktail.

Yep. He did. I love the Beatles and I have the White Album. Everytime that song or Sexy Sadie starts, I skip them, and I actually like both songs. "Helter Skelter" is actually a harmless British carnival ride, but Charles Manson said it meant "War of Wars" Basically a race war, which is why he took the wallets from some of his victims and placed them in predominantly black neighborhoods. Apparently, he had a bad experience with African American prisoners. What a complete ASSHOLE!!!!!

She should have done that when her sentence was imposed. Like, over 30 years ago, BEFORE she received her free education, BEFORE, she received free medical care, BEFORE she married and enjoyed some of the benefits of everyday life, and some of those benefits she received, innocent Americans (who want, need, and will contribute great things to society with them) don't and won't receive them....EVER.

All while in jail. Besides, she died of terminal brain cancer, and had a leg amputated. Do you have any idea how painful and horrible that is? To force her to go through that without any type of medical care would be cruel.

I'm surprised... people that seem to hate her so much wanted her to die 30 years ago. If you (general "you") really hated her that much you'd (general "you") be happy she didn't die a (relatively) pain-free death.

Although I have heard that there are indicators that death by lethal injection is actually pretty painful.

Also - I can't find anything online about her having a child in prison. Cheerfulgreek, can you cite that source? Everything I've seen has said that she had a child before the murders, and when her family did not come forward to claim the child he was adopted and his name was changed. Actually, to Paul, which would have been the name of Sharon Tate's child. But no one knows (or is saying) what happened to that child.

^^^Do you have any clue how painful it was to the families of the victims? Do you? Obviously you don't.

I didn't say it wasn't painful to them. In fact, I think a few posts ago I mentioned that it was painful, and that I'm sure they're doing some mourning of their own right now.

Do you have any idea what it's like to watch someone die of terminal brain cancer? Or any cancer, for that matter? Day in and day out? Have you ever seen (firsthand) and been up close and personal with the effects of that? Do you? Obviously you don't.

There are obviously many victims in this case, and I don't think I've ever denied that, or the fact that she should not have been released from prison, which she wasn't. I just think it's slightly cruel to insinuate that someone who is dying of terminal cancer should not be treated.

Unfortunately, you're right, there are innocent Americans that can't access healthcare and do die of terminal cancer. I don't agree with that either. However, that's not the topic at hand.

Read a book, and you'll also know that Sharon Tate's unborn child (that Susan "Sadistic" Atkins denied her) would have been named Paul too.

Read a post, actually, the post you quoted, and you'll know that I already said that.

agzg!!! I. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. SUSAN. ATKINS. Why? Because I think it's completely cruel to murder and deny a woman child birth. And let me add...to just tell her after Sharon told her she just wants to have her baby "look bitch I don't have any mercy for you or your baby." agzg, you can continue to have favor on this woman if you want to, but I don't and NEVER will so just let it go.

btw: if they would have gotten rid of her at the time of sentencing, she would have never gotten brain cancer. Blame our justice system.

I don't read your posts...much.

I don't think I ever said that she didn't deserve to be punished or serve the rest of her life in prison. I don't support the death penalty, regardless of crime, because I think it's barbaric and it doesn't serve as a deterrent because every criminal thinks he's smarter or better and won't get caught. I also don't like to speak in terms of "getting rid" of people by killing them.

I don't get how you think she has favor with me? You are jumping to conclusions. I commented that her life had some value (all lives have value) and that she had done some good works that even the families of the victims acknowledged. I also commented that it was horrible to die of brain cancer and I expressed sorrow for her family in their time of loss. Seeing as I don't figure her family committed any crimes, it's not really wrong to express sympathy, is it?

I also commented that brain cancer is painful and to force someone to go through that with no type of health care is cruel.

You know, you say you don't care about Susan Atkins, but your posts indicate that you care very deeply.

My points are beliefs that I hold for all people, regardless of whether or not they're in prison. It has very little to do with the actual case at hand.

She should have been executed over 30 years ago, before she got brain cancer.

That's fairly obvious. Logic and reason are far too complicated, I see.

Her getting brain cancer was not directly related to our justice system, though.

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okay.......

So, why would you quote a post you didn't read?

Just because I don't support the death penalty doesn't mean I don't have the right to comment on the case or my beliefs in relation to the case. Just a little FYI.

knight_shadow, I was being sarcastic. I said "blame our justice system", because if she would have gotten back what she did to others, she would have never gotten brain cancer.

I didn't quote her post nor did I read it. I saw that on the news when Susan died.

It's hard to read sarcasm in the heat of a debate.

And the bolded implies that the justice system caused her cancer.

Finally, we agree on something. I also have that right. "Just a little FYI"

That's been clarified now. Sorry to confuse you.:)

I didn't say you didn't. However, quoting where I said I don't support the death penalty, then adding a bitchy little comment, implies that my points are invalid because I don't believe in the death penalty.

Besides, you still haven't cited your source where Susan Atkins had a child while in prison. All I could find was that she had conjugal visits.

For the record, I guess that was what I said that incited all this craziness. It's a legitimate question - I was really trying to find out if she actually had another child. Seeing as I (maybe mistakenly) mentioned a child that would know her in my first post in this thread.

I didn't quote your post. Susan Atkins first child was born in October 1968, and his name was changed to Paul. Charles Manson delivered the child and gave him that (the 1st name, not Paul) name. I did not quote your post. This information can be found in other sources other than your post.

Click the link. It's a link to YOUR POST, in which you QUOTED ME, and spewed some BS about me never having read a book when it was apparent that I already knew what you were trying to be judgmental about BECAUSE I SAID IT IN THE POST. THAT YOU QUOTED.

All of your comments towards me are bitchy. That's the only time you chat with me is when you have something negative to say to me.

She had a son in October of 1968, she also had a son after that. I'm not sure if it was from her 1st or 2nd husband. Tex Watson who also participated in the murders had not only one but two kids while in prison.