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DSTCHAOS 04-29-2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1642124)
LOL, I EXPECT THERE TO BE A "FREE STARANG21" IN BIG ASS BROWN LETTERS IN YOUR SIGGY.

Of course! Fun times. Fun times.

TSteven 04-29-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1641838)
I agree.
Has anyone else wondered about this:
Signed up Feb 2005
First posting today, April 28, 2008

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1641844)
I didn't wonder - I knew. Sockpuppet.

Or a realllllly patient person.

For what it is worth, I have a "friend" who is *well connected* within their organization. According to my "friend", quite a few (maybe most?) IFC/NIC/NPC/NPHC HQs are monitoring this site. Which is not breaking news by any means to many of us. In any case, as it was explained to me, their HQ has a few volunteers join GC to follow various discussions. And not only the discussions within their specific GLO forum, but general threads as well. (When one joins GC, one may sign up for notices etc.) According to my "friend", most do not post while they are monitoring. However, others elect to join in the discussions.

DSTCHAOS 04-29-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven (Post 1642216)
For what it is worth, I have a "friend" who is *well connected* within their organization. According to my "friend", quite a few (maybe most?) IFC/NIC/NPC/NPHC HQs are monitoring this site. Which is not breaking news by any means to many of us. In any case, as it was explained to me, their HQ has a few volunteers join GC to follow various discussions. And not only the discussions within their specific GLO forum, but general threads as well. (When one joins GC, one may sign up for notices etc.) According to my "friend", most do not post while they are monitoring. However, others elect to join in the discussions.

Yes, these sites are monitored.

It's really dumb for someone from a nhq to join in a discussion about the Bible and homosexuality, though, if it's going to be under a "cloud of mystery." I hope that particular username is anything but a nhq person.

TSteven 04-29-2008 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1642238)
Yes, these sites are monitored.

It's really dumb for someone from a nhq to join in a discussion about the Bible and homosexuality, though, if it's going to be under a "cloud of mystery." I hope that particular username is anything but a nhq person.

I should have been more clear. I was simply addressing one reason as to why a first post might come years after the poster has joined GC.

RushLeader08 04-29-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1641942)
I find it interesting that you stood up-I can not speak for any other but I was thinking more of:
GreekChatObserv

only because swtxbelle always has something mean to say about how im a troll or dity or something:mad:

RushLeader08 04-29-2008 04:36 PM

:(oh sorry i thought i was getting my head bitten off again i didnt know you were talking about GreekChatObserv

Unregistered- 04-29-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven (Post 1642216)
For what it is worth, I have a "friend" who is *well connected* within their organization. According to my "friend", quite a few (maybe most?) IFC/NIC/NPC/NPHC HQs are monitoring this site. Which is not breaking news by any means to many of us. In any case, as it was explained to me, their HQ has a few volunteers join GC to follow various discussions. And not only the discussions within their specific GLO forum, but general threads as well. (When one joins GC, one may sign up for notices etc.) According to my "friend", most do not post while they are monitoring. However, others elect to join in the discussions.

I know for a fact that there are at least 2 members of International Council who regularly post in the AGD forum. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more that we don't know about. Dozens of VST members are here as well.

I remember we couldn't even make any mention of GreekChat at the 2004 Convention if an IC member was within earshot.

perdido88 04-29-2008 05:13 PM

I know of certain fraternities, which convey strong christian principles. The members consider homosexuality as something immoral, and there is an immorality clause in their rulebook, which states that they can expel a member if they conduct in an immoral manner. One of the members stated that if they know of a member, who is engaging in homosexual acts, then they can begin proceedings to expel such member. Never mind that many members are straight but engaging in adulterous affairs, which would constitute an immoral act. So it seems there are double standards.

violetpretty 04-30-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by perdido88 (Post 1642337)
I know of certain fraternities, which convey strong christian principles. The members consider homosexuality as something immoral, and there is an immorality clause in their rulebook, which states that they can expel a member if they conduct in an immoral manner. One of the members stated that if they know of a member, who is engaging in homosexual acts, then they can begin proceedings to expel such member. Never mind that many members are straight but engaging in adulterous affairs, which would constitute an immoral act. So it seems there are double standards.

:eek:Or engaging in sex before marriage.:rolleyes: Are these NIC fraternities like Sigma Chi and ATO, with a strong Christian background (but do not require their members be Christian) or other fraternities that are more Christian focused to the point where no non-Christians would join?

nittanyalum 04-30-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven (Post 1642216)
For what it is worth, I have a "friend" who is *well connected* within their organization. According to my "friend", quite a few (maybe most?) IFC/NIC/NPC/NPHC HQs are monitoring this site.

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1642238)
Yes, these sites are monitored.

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1642327)
I know for a fact that there are at least 2 members of International Council who regularly post in the AGD forum. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more that we don't know about. Dozens of VST members are here as well.

Agh! *whispers* Big Brother's watching!

http://media.bigoo.ws/content/gif/smiles/smiles_34.gif

shinerbock 04-30-2008 12:26 PM

There certainly is a double standard in some fraternities. But condoning some immorality doesn't mean it is a good idea to condone or bring in other immoral activity.

They're simply drawing the line somewhere. A lot of us will be friends with people who occasionally lie, or are cruel, etc. But most of us may not be friends with a thief or a rapist, etc. Is it hypocritical? Maybe. Certainly a double standard for a lot of Christians.

The answer is addressing your own problems, not in condoning other immoral behavior.

If fraternities were protesting and going on tv to talk about how all gay people are going to hell, then I'd agree with you. But I don't really see any public condemnation.

jon1856 04-30-2008 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1642843)
There certainly is a double standard in some fraternities. But condoning some immorality doesn't mean it is a good idea to condone or bring in other immoral activity.

They're simply drawing the line somewhere. A lot of us will be friends with people who occasionally lie, or are cruel, etc. But most of us may not be friends with a thief or a rapist, etc. Is it hypocritical? Maybe. Certainly a double standard for a lot of Christians.

The answer is addressing your own problems, not in condoning other immoral behavior.

If fraternities were protesting and going on tv to talk about how all gay people are going to hell, then I'd agree with you. But I don't really see any public condemnation.

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing. And the line is drawn at a person being gay?
Perhaps I need to read the whole posting when I have the time too.

starang21 04-30-2008 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1642860)
I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing. And the line is drawn at a person being gay?
Perhaps I need to read the whole posting when I have the time too.

people are hypocrites.

DSTCHAOS 04-30-2008 01:13 PM

Regardless of where the line is drawn at the individual level, it is wonderful that the law recognizes the difference between illegal behaviors (underage drinking, rape, etc.) and perceived deviant and immoral behaviors (homosexuality, sex before marriage, promiscuity, etc.).

That's all.

DSTCHAOS 04-30-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1642866)
people are hypocrites.

What a cop-out.


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