Originally Posted by tcsparky (Post 2160639)

Holy Overraction! Calm down a bit. The sarcasm fallback might have sounded OK in your head, but it came across as bitter. No one said anything about allowing "armed to the teeth terrorists" on planes. No one said anything about scrapping the metal detectors, or not pulling out the ID for ten whole seconds.

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 2160604)

I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but we already live in this world. Why do you think we can't take liquids through airport security, and have to remove our shoes? Why do you think there's heightened security in offices and government buildings? Why do we have to have our bags checked before entering a concert or sporting event? Because there are evil people in this world who have killed innocent people, and have inconvenienced the rest of us.

Originally Posted by ADqtPiMel (Post 2160648)

For what it's worth, I have Nationals season tickets and the only searching they do is a cursory look inside any bag. If you're not carrying a bag, there's no search at all.

Originally Posted by tcsparky (Post 2160639)

What a lot of people have problems with is TSA sticking their fingers in female children's vaginas, forcing nursing mothers to drink their own breast milk and painfully squeezing men's privates to prove they aren't terrorists. And let's not forget about the body scanner naked pictures that were saved, passed around and laughed at by TSA agents. These are the things that make people get fed up with flying.

Originally Posted by excelblue (Post 2160642)

Going thru excessive security to do the things you like is like getting hazed to join a GLO: shouldn't be happening and ruins the experience.

. . . It's hard to be happy when your freedoms are violated excessively.

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 2160645)

I have my CPL, and from what info. has been made public, I doubt I would have drawn my weapon and fired in this situation. That is, if I was carrying at the time. Dark theatre, assailant dressed in black and SWAT gear, hundreds of people running through the rows and aisles, and tear gas that made it even harder to see and breathe. And my Ruger would have been no match for an AR-15 with expanded capacity magazine. The risk would have been too great that I may hit an innocent person running for their life, and then I would be on trial for homicide.

Someone mentioned that a flashlight could have blinded him. Maybe, but the thing is, with an AR-15 he didn't even need to see...he just sprayed the room with bullets.

I'm with the poster (I think it was SydneyK) who speculated that there probably was someone in the theatre who was packing. But if so, I don't blame them for not drawing on this guy. Not only was it likely very difficult to draw a weapon in that situation (realizing what was going on, from a sitting position, hitting the deck or running for the exit), but it carried a high likelihood of causing collateral damage (and drawing the gunman's attention in a negative way).

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 2160647)

Oh, and the banning of guns will never happen in this country. For several reasons, but one is that I believe it would basically plunge our country into civil war. Yes, really. Martial Law would need to be declared, and by the time the military was done forcefully disarming the American public, the country would be devastated.

Originally Posted by sigmagirl2000 (Post 2160600)

Interesting chart:



Interesting to see how this translates to red and blue states. I also had to idea that Michigan was so populated..... (or if it isn't, there are just a lot of gun and motor vehicle deaths there).


ETA: Since I'm a number/ math nerd, this was interesting to me. DC is high up there with the guns, as are the Virgin Islands (whoa!)

This makes me think that being in Massachusetts I have a good chance of not being killed by vehicle or gun. Now I just need to avoid the coyotes that hang out by my car early in the morning when I'm going to work....

Originally Posted by AnotherKD (Post 2160609)

Yeah, DC has guns everywhere. And, even though it is technically legal to own one after the Heller ruling, it is logistically impossible due to restrictions that can't be met.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 2160625)

RE: Auto/gun deaths - does any place break it down per capita? That would be a better way to evaluate the data than just the raw numbers. I'd also be interested in knowing the number of registered vehicles vs. the number of guns before I decided how important/unimportant the information is.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2160670)

Per capita doesn't really matter when there are MORE gun deaths than auto deaths. I guess if you haven't been trained in a medical field and know this backwards and forwards that's not as shocking, but it is ridiculous. Motor vehicle crashes are the undisputed king of killers in 40 states in the union and always has been. This is unprecedented. I did trauma surgery for two years and this was drilled into our heads.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 2160709)

I guess it depends on how you define "doesn't really matter". I'd also want to know how many deaths were suicides, accidents, police shooting suspects, etc.

Anyone have the stats on Switzerland?

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2160705)

Originally Posted by sigmagirl2000 (Post 2160600)

Interesting chart:



Interesting to see how this translates to red and blue states. I also had to idea that Michigan was so populated..... (or if it isn't, there are just a lot of gun and motor vehicle deaths there).


ETA: Since I'm a number/ math nerd, this was interesting to me. DC is high up there with the guns, as are the Virgin Islands (whoa!)

This makes me think that being in Massachusetts I have a good chance of not being killed by vehicle or gun. Now I just need to avoid the coyotes that hang out by my car early in the morning when I'm going to work....

Originally Posted by aephi alum (Post 2160746)

Setting the gun control debate aside for the moment...

Guess what?

Those attention whores at the Westboro Baptist Church are at it again. They are planning to "super picket" a prayer vigil for the shooting victims. They are tweeting away about it, with such lovely hashtags as "#ThankGodForTheShooter".

Story from Huffington Post

:mad:

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3 (Post 2160721)

Saw the movie last night with a group of people. The theater was maybe half to two thirds full. After the movie finished we went out and talked. All of us said that whenever anyone stood up and walked out of the theater we noticed. It wasn't just us either. We were sitting near the back and could see almost everyone else watching the person leaving/returning. :(

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2160705)