a lesson i've learned over the past year... :(

Nice Guys
 

There's a lot of truth in this thread. I think that for undergrads the thing is that people are exposed to such a huge environment with way too many options running around. Most guys and girls that leave home for the first time go nuts!!! Hey, it's part of being a young undergrad. Most young women in college, in my opinion, are not ready to settle down. If they did they wouldn't be the ambitious young college women (Goddesses) I used to chase as an undergrad. They would settle down and get hitched. Now in some cases, I did run into those chics that would only go to college to enroll in the "Wife Degree". Usually these were easy to detect and didn't have that ambitious attractiveness that I used to love. Guys are the same way. As a young undergrad, and maybe I'm speaking for myself, we don't want to settle down with a wife/kids. We're in the prime of our youth at the time are ready to rock and roll. I will admit that when the cocky, arrogant, A$$H0L3 side of me would roll out, I generally did a little better with my women. I think for me a lot of it was a pride issue. I would strive to take out the Playboy bunnies to my formals/events. At times, it wasn't even because I liked the girl but it was mostly to impress the boys and supply some good eye candy!!! I remember taking this MEGA B1t3H out to a formal and it was the most horrible thing. She was hootched up to the tee and the boys all enjoyed that but that was it. Anway, I grew up a lot since then and that's just it. These same Guys and Girls, hopefully, will grow up someday and realize that values, respect, and being yourself really do go further than not being yourself. Women deserve as much respect and thought as do men. Cheers~ Boodleboy322

nice guys don't finish last.

guys that dont have game and whine all the time ....THOSE GUYS FINISH LAST. if you do this, you will end up in the friend zone. though it is possible to get out of the friend zone (as evident in faby spice saying she is willing to marry her best guy friend), it is a zone you DONT want to be in...unless you dont want to bang her.

so quit being such pussies and quit your whining. for god sakes, no woman wants a pansy.

remember that line. nice guys don't finish last. guys that dont have game finish last.

BUMP

Just wanted to throw this into the mix:

You think any of it has to do with association? Like, I've seen instances where the dude is nice and the girl is down, but the minute they meet his friends/bros, she's turned off because she think he acts like them in reality, and that the niceness is a show.

Truer words have never been spoken. Here's the thing that most women are too nice (i.e., wussy) to admit -- it's not nice guys that are the problem -- it's wussy, no-self-esteem-having pushover doofi who don't stand up for themselves.

Let's take an example from valkyrie's dating history. There was this guy, we'll call him Big Loser (BL). BL and I would hang out and I was sort of interested in him until he started letting his BL tendencies show. He'd say stuff like "You're so wonderful...why are you hanging out with me?" and after hearing that a few times I was like you know what dude?! I don't know! Go away.

I think it's human nature for people getting together to sort of test out each other's boundaries in the beginning. Right off the bat, I let it be known that if someone doesn't call when he says he's going to call, that's not cool and I've probably made other plans for the night. I expect a guy to be the same way -- don't be a wuss, and don't let me or anyone else take advantage of you. Guys have such an easy time seeing the difference between an asshole and a nice guy, but sometimes they just can't distinguish a nice guy from a wuss. I don't like assholes, but I'd probably have more fun with one than hanging out with one of those spineless guys who only says "Whatever you want to do is fine, sweetie."

Of course, physical attractiveness figures into the equation as well, but that's a-whole-nother discussion.

The irony is the weak assed punks that don't have game turn out to be asswipes overall...

That nice guys who folks seem to think finish last--finish best... These guys eventually get the girl of their dreams...

Pansy ass guys work on their game skillz and turn out to be perverts that go to peep shows/XXX stores at 12 noon... And think all the girls at the strip club are his friends, when in all actuality, these guys may need screening for American's Most Wanted Serial Killers...

THE Key to getting girls is being yourself. If you're not conifedent in yourself you'll never get laid.

theres absolutely no such thing as a nice guy. they are at first thats so he can get in ure head that hes the only one out there for you and then a few weeks or months down the road he'll screw u over.

this is my edit: if there is a nice guy out there that has respect and can treat a great girl rite then great. i wouldnt believe it until i see it.

i guess its bad that im overly confident..not concieted..im fun and i can chill with the guys and still be a great girl..im one of those token girls that wont nag(no offense to anyone)..i am myself but thats not good enough lol..damn im bitter..i guess the best thing of it all i do get laid

I think Blake Shelton's music video, "Some Beach", fits this topic well.

well said.