Hmmmm......

Stephen being a member of Sigma Alpha Mu at the time that he viciously slapped a girl on national television is indeed relevant TO ME, because well, that's the first time I think any Greek has does such a thing on MTV or any such program. I find that interesting -- sue me.

And no certainly it's not a reflection on Sigma Alpha Mu that they selected this gentleman to become a member in the first place -- nobody has a crystal ball that can determine whether their members will end up committing violent acts against women.

And so far, we don't have any concrete evidence that he was expelled...all that we know is that Stephen from the Real World: Seattle, an at least then-member of Sigma Alpha Mu (a pretty prominent fraternity from what I understand) struck a woman on tv and destroyed her property, and went on to other less than savory acts in his life, including, but not limited to prostitution and theft.

In any case, I think this can serve as a frozen moment in time for Sigma Alpha Mu, or any of our organizations, that we need to be so confident, so sure in our selection of new members, that we will have less occurences of our members embarassing our organizations.

And for the record, I don't think Stephen is a bad person, I think he made bad choices.

Exactly. Stephen has problems as did the Sammy who posted in this thread and only managed to hurt his own fraternity.

Now in regards to AEPi's relationship to the community:
http://www.jewishstudentlife.org/pag...dunderfire.htm
We helped rebuild a Chabad that had burned down in San Diego.

Our previous international charity was Magen David Adom, the Israeli Red Cross. This year our new philanthropy is the Ethiopian Jewish center in Israel where we will do our part in helping new Ethiopian immigrants.

AEPi was the Israel Advocate of the year in 2003 - the first such award given by AIPAC at its national conference.

Listen, I can go on and on and on. Nothing is going to stop AEPi's rise. Now there may be bumps in the road but I believe so strongly in the fraternity's ties to the community and the good that it's doing, that I have no doubt whatsoever that the community loves us back!

-Rudey

Sammy
 

"Rudey
--By the way how come so many of your chapters are dying off? I think you're down to 65 or so now huh?"

We have over 70 groups and we are a Jewish Fraternity as is ZBT. My brother is a ZBT and I am a Sammy, we are both Jewish.

Sammy has over 12 chapters with over 100 men. AEPI doesn't!!!! Five Jewish guys in an elevator doesn't make a chapter unless your are an AEPI.

Stephen is one sammy out of over 3,000 undergraduate members and probably the worst example to think of. I am sure if we put members from quite a few different sororities and fraternities on TV like that there would be other "stephens" out there. I only posted what I posted because I am tired of AEPI claiming to be the only Jewish Fraternity!!! The funny thing is that at the largest school in the USA the University of Texas at Austin the two largest groups that attract the Jewish population are ZBT and Sammy! Plus now that we have moved back into a house at Indiana University I am sure we will explode again there also. Plus for years at the University of Wisconsin we were a 150 man Jewish chapter and at Maryland too. So, my point is that AEPI is not the only Jewish Fraternity and they need to stop falsely advertising themselves.

Besides, at my Temple the Rabbi is a Sammy, three past Temple presidents are Sammy's and most of the men there are ZBT or SAM. So, gosh I guess what were not Jewish because we joined those groups and the only way to be a Jew according to AEPI is to join AEPI. AEPI better watch out because we are on a serious expansion plan and hired a past Hillel director who is a Sammy to become our Assistant Executive Director in charge of Expansion so it won't be long!

Proud to be a Sammy!

I never realized that the Jewish faith made you have such ill will and hatred towards others, even those of your own faith.

Also, does Sammy teach you to have that attitude?

Your words here are making a mockery of your brotherhood. Grow up and learn to be an adult, and maybe your opinions will garner some respect.

As a Jew, I'm appalled that you would insult another based on the fraternity they joined. I would think we're better than that. We already have so much animosity and ignorance coming from people outside our religion. Why start creating that same judgemental attitude amongst each other over GLO choices?

I've met many AEPis at my school and through family members (we have a long history of AEPis in my family) and they all have shown a tremendous amount of class. I've only come in contact with Sammy's online. Thank goodness I don't judge your whole organization on the actions of one.......

Do you _have_ be Jewish to be in AEPi?

no, you don't have to be jewish to be in aepi.

That's what I thought, thanks! :)

Sammysfa, there's a line between being proud of your organization and being completely rude about another. I would venture to say many of us are proud of our orgs, but we're not going to go on here trashing rival GLO's.

It doesn't reflect well on yourself or on Sammy in general.

Agreed. I definitely have no problem giving members of certain other fraternities a hard time because of their affiliation (you know who you are blackfeet), but it's all good natured.

Please be respectful of people on GC.

Re: Sammy
 

Right. So we have twice as many chapters as you, support a Jewish charity, are national partners with Hillel and AIPAC and the list goes on and on.

I know quite a few other fraternities that have many Jews in their membership, but they are not Jewish. You lack the intelligence to even understand the statement. You can be a Jew in any fraternity, including in any of the Black or Hispanic ones, but AEPi is a Jewish fraternity. On your website you have 64 chapters, not over 70 by the way. And when you talk about how many men you had at certain chapters, the key word in those sentences is "were". George Washington was president. You were a 150 man chapter. AEPi is the Jewish fraternity.

I would encourage you to be a Jewish fraternity and not a historically Jewish fraternity. I mean there are so few and AEPi alone can't support all these men.

Had you the common sense to keep your mouth shut your weaknesses would not be exposed. Instead you came on here insulting away at my fraternity. Again, we are twice your size and you have made your fraternity look awful to so many people who have never even heard of Sammy. Good job. Between you insulting others and Stephen beating on women, getting arrested for car theft and prostitution your fraternity has a great future. It's great that you had a handful of posts on this discussion forum and half of them were trying to insult my fraternity.

Some difficult questions for you:
What percentage of your fraternity is Jewish?
Why have so many of your chapters folded?
And perhaps you should consider your chapter's status. Weren't they in trouble? Are you part of IFC again?

-Rudey
--You need to work on your problems and concentrate on your goals instead of embarassing your fraternity by even mentioning the glory of mine

No not at all.

I want to talk about my brothers at Missouri - Rolla. I bring these guys up because when I was in Nashville a few years ago for our convention, they were the ones that I felt most comfortable with. I spent my time with them. They are 100% non-Jewish in that chapter. But the thing is that they even have Chanukah parties. When they went to another chapter and saw someone say something anti-semitic they stood up and said something.

AEPi is not Jewish in history. AEPi is Jewish. We are open to anyone and every good man. However our traditions will be preserved and so will our mission and goal - which includes creating future leader for the Jewish community and our recruits know this so no confusion is out there.

-Rudey

So in other words AEPi works for the Jewish community much like the NPHC groups work for the Black community?

I can't comment on any NPHC organizations. I can only comment on what I know and that is AEPi.

AEPi is tied to the community but isn't a community service fraternity, like many NPHC (if not all). We are a social fraternity in the NIC along with many other fraternities that are historically white and historically Christian.

Our mission is to instill great values in our men of Perserverance,
Faith, Honesty, Mutual Helpfulness, and Humility.

Our mission is to encourage men to be leaders in their communities and in their countries (we are pretty big in Canada so it's plural).

Our mission, if you were to glance at it online, also mentions the word Jewish more times than I can count. It is expected that if there are anti-semitic incidents on campus our fraternity needs to step up. We vote on resolutions of support for Israel at our conventions every year. As well as being tied to our general communities and our countries, AEPi seeks to also create leaders in the Jewish community. That is what makes us Jewish and not historically Jewish.

-Rudey

Re: Sammy
 

I attend the University of Wisconsin, and while it may be true that at one point you had a 150-man chapter here, it's not like that now. A recent scandal caused the chapter to sink from being one of the biggest on campus to one of the smallest. AEPi , meanwhile, is in the top-middle of the pack in terms of numbers and is very prominent on campus (including a recent IFC president).

I don't mean to knock anybody because I've met and liked members from both groups. But if you're going to argue that Sammy is so great, you need to use current statistics to back that up . . .

Re: Re: Sammy
 

Czechoslovakia was a former country in Eastern Europe.
The Berlin wall separated East German and West Germany.
Polio was rampant in America.
Sigma Alpha Mu had a 150 man chapter.

-Rudey

It doesn't. This guy is an exception.

This year, ZBT and Sammy are both relatively small, and AEPi is somewhat bigger. ZBT and Sammy are not Jewish interest on our campus; only AEPi is. But I don't see anyone hating on Sammy and ZBT cause they're NOT Jewish. It's just another case of finding what you're comfortable with.

Correct. Who hates them because of their mission? AEPi has chosen not to go down that same path. As for this wonderful example of a fraternity man, here is his chapter:

http://deanofstudents.utexas.edu/gle/disc.php

2002

Sigma Alpha Mu- Hazing Penalty issued December 2002 (Cancelled through December 31, 2004; Suspension of organizational rights through December 31, 2005; Probation through Spring Semester 2006).

2001

Sigma Alpha Mu- Hazing Penalty issued December 2001 (Suspension of organizational rights through February 15, 2002; Probation through 2003).

-Rudey