Very well put ValpoKD!:)

I just received an email from one of the AOII advisers at UGA, they have 60 wonderful PNMs.....so I am pretty sure her word is reliable since she is an adviser there.

I was actually the stationary rho chi at GPB all day on the first day of recruitment! I had the best time being a rho chi. Every sorority got some great girls!!

Anyone know how Alpha Gam house did at UGA?

How about Sigma Kappa?

Sad to say (only because I sooooooooooooooooo wanted her to go Gamma Phi as did her mom), y'all (AChiO) got the daughter of my pledge sister:( Although she told her mom she really was torn between Gamma Phi and AChiO, she felt like her home was AChiO -- her mom and I are glad she is happy, but still a bit sad she is not a Gamma Phi, y'know what I mean.

I think y'all (AChiO) also pledged another doll I wrote rec on: Katie Kirby.

Sounds like we got some great girls GPhiBLtColonel!

I got fed up not knowing about Sigma Kappa at UGA so I emailed them. They made quota plus. Thought I'd let everyone know.

Thanks for the update!:)

WooHoo!!!

UGA Rocks!

I think it's interesting that y'all are all so interested in how our rush went at UGA. It's a hectic week and very competitive, but it's all I have ever known as far as rush, so it seems normal to me! I was a rho chi, so I got to see almost every house during rush. Lots of great girls. To all the people who wonder about not making quota, take it from me: when the chapters are 200 and more, one or two more girls in the nm class does not necessarily make or break the chapter. We had a great year and pledged many women into our 18 houses. How can we not be happy with that?

So, AlphaChiCutie, I guess that means you won't tell who did and who did not make quota then?;)

Even the UGA Greek Life office won't say when I contacted them --why are Auburn and Bama so forthcoming to the point of naming who pledged which sorority yet UGA is so secretive?:confused:

I'm not even sure exactly who did and didn't make quota. Claudia (greek life advisor) likes to keep things confidential and from letting the inappropriate people have too much information (ie return rates for each house, etc). I wouldn't worry so much about quota...every house got great girls and our system is very strong.

But what if there are girls interested in COB? How are they supposed to find out if that option is open to them if they don't even know who has open spots?

Just so no one misunderstands my meaning, I am not trying to be bitchy with this post. So many times y'all think I just post to be mean and start stuff when I am just trying to start a discussion. Honest to goodness! :)

I don't think we are worried so much about quota just to know how our respective houses did with recruitment. I think we're interested in quota because it is an indication of what's going on throughout the system.

Personally, I don't think that the UGA system is "strong." I think that there are a bunch of strong houses, but overall I think the system needs major help.

And, since I am being nosey, anyone know how DPhiE did with recruitment?

Feel free to discuss me or the topic.. ;)

Jeepers, I don't think I am "inappropriate person!!!!" Well, perhaps you are right Alpha Chi Cutie - that is how Claudia sees me! But wait -- it is not just me that Greek Life is withholding information from -- it is everyone. So I guess the whole public is inappropriate? Why NOT just release the list of how many pledges each house at UGA took -- what harm will that do to the system? What privacy issue will release of that info totally screw up? Personally, I think if a system is strong, those in charge are forthcoming with information...if things are kept secret/close to the vest, well I think that in and of itself is an indication of possible problems.

Since I was unable to get any definitive information from the source (Greek Life Office), I asked others who are in the system at UGA and though I don't have all the info I'd like, this is what I have been told (so it is unconfirmed): All the GLOs except 4 made quota (60) though some who now have quota had to do snap bids to make it: DZ, KD, SK, ChiO and AOPi. Could not find out about Theta, Kappa or Pi Phi. AGD got 38, DG16, SDT 46, and DPhiE 3.

Someone please correct me if any of the above is in error.

Pi Phi took quota plus one. They have 61 or 62 NM.. I am at work right now and do not have the email right in front of me. Sorry, thought I posted GA Alpha's information earlier.

Last night, DG extended 27 COB Bids. 8 girls accepted; and as of 10:30 last night, 12-14 were still thinking about it.

*thinking good thoughts for that last 14!*

Good luck!!

Congrats to UGA DG's. Sounds like you are having an awesome COB!:)

Yay for Cele finding information! I don't think it's violating anybody's privacy to say how many girls a house got. :rolleyes:

[size=large]GO GEORGIA DG! [/size]

That's awesome news, congrats on your newest New Members and Good Luck with your outstanding bids! I am so pulling for ya'll!

Fraternally,
Christin

I think the fact that UGA doesn't like to say who made quota is a clear sign that the system there is NOT strong and needs some work. The same is true for my school -- many groups do not make quota, and it's tough to find information on who does because the university doesn't want to hurt the smaller groups more by posting numbers. However, everybody going through recruitment can immediately tell how big or small a group is anyway, so there's no point in not releasing numbers to the public anyway.

(Side note: I am not trying to diss any of the chapters at UGA with this post. Just because the Greek system as a whole needs some work, that doesn't mean that some or even many of the chapters there are not strong individually.)

Good luck to the DGs (and all other sororities) on COBing.

I agree....I think that by not publishing info, it just makes the rumor mill run overtime, especially at a competitive school like UGA.

I think a lot of people misinterpreted what I was trying to say. Basically, unless someone has a personal stake in who did and didn't make quota (a rush chair, advisor, etc), they really don't HAVE to know about the final numbers. I think a lot of you are making a bigger deal out of the whole QUOTA system as it is. If you think UGA's system isn't strong, I want you to come run the system with the ease and efficiency that our greek life advisor and Panhellenic exec do. As a rho chi, I helped "herd" almost 1300 women between 18 houses in blazing GEORGIA HEAT. If you think it's an easy task to manage this many people, then you try it. We have SEVERAL of different sororities TOP NATIONAL CHAPTERS here. We raise HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS every year for charity.
As far as the COB/quota situation, everyone must remember that down here, THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES with recruitment (a famous phrase). With the extensive numbers of strong PNMs, legacies, and levels of competition, it can be difficult to get every single "top girl" wanted by any given chapter. As competitive as the system already is, we don't need chapters feeling superior on the basis of "we got 2 more girls than you did." That's not the kind of thing that creates greek unity. Those numbers are not the bottom line (unless you are an advisor or rush chair). For everyone else, it's the realization that you have many amazing new members in your chapter whom you worked hard to recruit, whether they got their through the normal system or COB or whatever.
And a final word to anyone who has never even BEEN to UGA or SEEN our rush, think twice before you think you can judge our system. We had some of the highest placement rates ever this year. Our rush is second in competitiveness only to Ole Miss, and we managed to pledge more women than ever.

Obviously, this is a touchy subject for you because you have gone on the defensive. That's a normal reaction, though, especially when you have a stake in something that is being criticized.

I'm glad that more women were able to be matched this year; that's definitely a step in the right direction. I think most people would agree, though, that is not the only indicator of a strong system.

I went to UGA and participated in rush my freshman year. I still frequently visit Athens, too.

If I caused offense, please forgive me.

hey GPhiBLtColonel-
do we have a gamma phi chapter there? if so, how did we do?
(btw, i think it's ridiculous, everyone can't know who got quota!!)
:rolleyes:

Hope this helps AAgammagirl! :)

AlphaChiCutie, I think you're misunderstanding what's being said. Nobody's saying that there are not wonderful, strong chapters at UGA. Nobody's saying that the Greek advisor at UGA isn't doing a great job. But some Greek systems have issues that can't be fixed that easily, not by the Greek advisor, the Rho Chi's, the sorority members themselves, the sororities' national headquarters, Panhel . . . There are issues that run deeper than that. I've seen this at my school, I've seen it at many other schools as well, and the fact that rush seems to have ended pretty strangely for at least two years in a row at UGA means that there is probably some kind of problem with the system.

Quota at UGa was actually 60, not 62... so GPhiB took quota plus 2. I know quota at UGa has been posted several times as different numbers in the lower 60s. Quota was 60! My inside informant told me all chapters made quota except four, which have been mentioned. Also, we all have opinions on UGa's recruitment success. However, the fact that 14/18 chapters made quota is not bad and the most important fact is that most chapters had the highest return rates EVER!!!!! I think that in itself is a success!!!! Also, 87% of the PNMs that started recruitment were offered bids and 76% accepted (This number does not include bids offered after bid day).

I think that you're putting blame on the wrong party here. The problem wouldn't be with someone for releasing information on how many new members each chapter took; the problem would be with the women who are sitting there saying "Nyah nyah we're better than you because we got two more girls than you did!" If that's what is going to happen if numbers are released, maybe we should look at it as an opportunity for women to get the information and react appropriately. It's not right to keep the numbers secret because of fear that someone who hears it is going to feel superior -- that's an attitude problem of those women more than anything else.

Keeping the numbers secret just fosters the idea that unless a chapter takes quota or quota plus, the members should be ashamed of themselves. I think that attitude should change and that people need to realize that being open and honest rather than secretive is the best way to deal with recruitment and life in general.

**APPLAUSE**

Why does anyone have to be so "open and honest" about something like quota? I don't understand why most of you, who have probably never even seen these chapters, care about who did and did not make quota, some statistical number that doesn't give the full picture of each new member class. It's quality, not quantity that counts for any chapter, and I can assure you that quality of members is not an issue within our system. Actually, certain chapters I know of cut heavily in order to remain highly selective and would rather be small in order to maintain a stronger sisterhood (because I can attest that at over 200 members, it is extremely hard to really know your chapter).

Rightly or wrongly
 

A chapter making quota is considered a good sign and one that does not (by significant amounts) is not. Who doesn't get a thrill to hear their own ABC org at State U made quota or conversely feel the pangs of remorse to hear that quota was 100 and they got 10? Chapters are closing across the country due to low numbers, not to a lack of sisterhood in the girls they have. At the end of the day, sisterhood does not pay the bills.

But when smaller chapters here that information and others know it, it's not always so beneficial. How would you feel at your chapter knowing the exact figures of how many girls each chapter got, return rates etc if you weren't the largest chapter on campus? As I said earlier, it's QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY that counts.

And as far as finances go, some chapters I know of don't have to take quota because of alumni donations. Several could stop having members pay dues and run for years on end.

Because most of us, who are in other NPC sororities, probably are curious to know how are sisters are doing. No, I've never seen Gamma Phi at UGa, but that doesn't mean I don't care about them - they are my sisters and I want them to succeed, and in the eyes of Gamma Phi Beta International Sorority, part of a successful chapter is taking quota. Thus, I always like to know if my sisters did or not.

I find this situation highly unlikely but will take your word for it. Alumnae are usually not asked nor desire to bankroll a chapter who purposefully chooses not to take quota and remain significantly (and by this I mean dozen less not onsie twosies) smaller. But perhaps this is common at UGa, as you indicate.

if "little" things about orgs (like quota) don't get published then how on earth would you know anything about their financial status? i hate sound bitchy, but i am not sure why you are so defensive. i agree with everyone else that if you keep things secret there is a reason. i have never been to uga, but i will tell you with 100% certainty that the "smaller" chapters know that they didn't make quota and that they are viewed as being weak because of that! i also know that they are probably feeling really happy about the group of new members that they have, but they are sure feeling sad that so many others didn't give them a chance, or how on earth could they compete when they have so many less members, or what did we do wrong? do you think that people can't count? i am sure that at some point during the semester, the names of the new members will be posted in the new paper or on a banner on campus welcoming them to their new sisterhood.

i also noticed that your chapter wasn't listed as not making quota. please don't say how the chapter who brought in 3 new members feels until you have woken up on bid day and heard the speeh from your president about how many matches you made that year and you aren't sure if they are going to show when most of the other chapters took quota plus. it feels like crap....and i know bc i have GIVEN that speech! and if you think that the chapter isn't told you what quota is and who matched to quota then you are very naive.

AlphaChiCutie-How would you feel at your chapter knowing the exact figures of how many girls each chapter got,

If you're talking about different chapters on the same campus, I always thought that information was published or, at the very least, got around.

I do see what you are saying. Sometimes, when things don't go as planned, it FEELS like people are saying "HA-HA!", true, that may be a very small percent, but I honestly believe GC is kind of a Utopia in the sense that we ALL want Greek life to flourish. We do feel sorrow for ANY chapter that has any difficulties. For the most part, it's not to see who's doing poorly, but like GeekyPenguin said, to know how YOUR sorority is doing.

There ARE people who revel in other people's misery, but have you ever noticed how so many GCers leap to post when a topic like "NEED HELP FOR STRUGGLING CHAPTER" appears? People honestly want to help. I also think most realize that many have made a mistake or two in the past and by understanding what might have gone wrong we can avoid the same pitfalls. I do think the quality of the sisterhood is so much more than numbers. Most of us agree on that. But numbers can be important for continued growth and financial security. It's hard, but it would be better like some have stated, to come from a reliable source. More damage could be done-false information dispersed (gossip) if people are allowed to make up their own "facts".

edited to be COMPLETELY honest-If a chapter has a history of playing dirty, then yes, I would be more than happy to see them get just like they gave. In most instances, this is not the case.