Not to mention that they are both American Greek Letter Colliegete sororities. The Devil's in the details.

The only sorority that predated AOPi at Barnard College of Columbia University was Kappa Kappa Gamma, so I think that's probably your answer.

It's dangerous to conceal the little bits of our history that we aren't proud of, especially if we convince ourselves that the whitewash is for some noble sounding purpose like "greek unity".

Anyway, I seriously doubt this 106 year old episode is going to undermine our unity. Women do hold grudges a long time, but I think it's safe to say the statute of limitations has run out on this one.

wptw

What other reason can be behind it but Greek Unity? I'm sure AOII could say which fraternity it was at every opportunity - but they don't. If it's not out of greek spirit and/or greek unity (whatever you want to call it) then I have no other explanation for it.

Sistermadly, I'm sure the reason AOPis don't mention at every opportunity is because...

It was 106 years ago and nobody cares anymore!

But my point was, why gloss over it on this message board when the subject comes up? If someone asks the question (as GPhiBLtColonel did), and someone else says "I've always wanted to know this" (as YOU did), and someone knows the answer (as CutiePie2000 does), then I think it's silly not to just answer the darn question.

How exactly would answering this particular question undermine greek unity?

And even if we suppose this IS some dark chapter in the history of AOPi and KKG, why is it wrong to talk about it?

wptw

Because someone, maybe not you, and maybe not me, but someone would find a way to take this disclosure as slagging off the organization in question. THAT'S what I meant by greek unity/greek spirit.

Some people might care, even if it was 106 years ago. Some people really don't give a rip, and are only interested from a historical standpoint. And there are others -- and we all know people like this -- who will take any mention of unsavoury history and turn it into a personal attack against their organization. So, to keep the waters calm, I think it's best not to say.

But that's just the peacemaker in me, I guess. You're welcome to disagree. :)

So we're "keeping the waters calm" by not discussing a potentially embarassing or unpleasant subject.

That's a healthy approach. :rolleyes:

Hey, what's that big lump under the rug?

wptw

:cool:

I agree, it was 106 years ago, and I know it doesn't bother me at all! I think it just goes to show that as far as greek life goes, everything happens for a reason and you usually end up where you were meant to be. Imagine that if Stella hadn't been cut by another sorority, AOII might have never been founded, and that is just one scary thought... So bring on the Greek unity!

Maybe the solution is not posting, but just making it clear that anyone really interested in knowing could PM the person who knows? Hopefully, only someone philosophical enough not to make a big deal about it would ask- but inquiring minds would still get to know.

Heck, I'm a Kappa, and even though it seems like we were the culprit (gotta get to the library and check the Baird's Manual!) I really don't mind hearing it. I'm sure every GLO of similar age has at least one incident like this lurking in the past- as someone else already mentioned, those decisions were more a product of the era than the group in question.

Not posting and passing it on in a PM is a great idea. If people were really that curious to know, someone could have just passed it along that way. Public versus private disclosure.. the next topic on GreekChat Today! *lol*

I'm ending my thread hijack now. ;)

This started out as a very interesting sweet thread. Getting back to that....

I always think it is so cool to hear how different groups are linked to each other. We don't have a Phi Mu chapter here, but we have ADPi. They're awesome!

I like wptw because he's like my dad. He thinks up stuff I wouldn't have thought of before, but then if I work on it awhile I figure out that maybe he's right.

Kappa doesn't exactly have a horrid past over something that happened so long ago at a time when that kind of discrimination was the norm. And, a great point was made -- even if they'd done something awful, something great (AOII) came out of it.

I think this is a great example of greek unity.

wow....106 was forever ago.

DITTO!
 

Well said, HotDamnImAPhiMu!

I personally love hearing all these stories about how our individual sororities got started and being here in the Atlanta area where both ADPi and PhiMu have their headquarters makes it even more topical....in another thread, i got some great infor about the links between my Gamma Phi Beta and Alpha Phi and Alpha Gamma Delta...it is just so cool to think on the fortitude and vison and determination all of the founders of our sororities had back then...on ebay right now there is an old photo for sale of the Gamma chapter of Gamma Phi Beta - circa very early 1900's -- our Gamma chapter is at the University of Wisconsin Madison -- if you look at the photo of the women then and think about how a more current photo of the same chapter would look now -WoW! is all I can say...I am grateful for the things all of our founders did way back then...aren't y'all????

Re: DITTO!
 

I went and searched for that picture of the early 1900s Gamma Phi's -- it certainly does look different than today's Gamma chapter Gamma Phi Betas! :D Can you imagine girls looking at photos of today's sorority girls a hundred years from now, and how antiquated we'll look to them?

It's so interesting to think about.

And you know what's an amazing yet sad thing ...
 

...to think about vis-a-vis that old Gamma chapter photo on ebay? That is the SAME chapter that Dr Laurel Clark (she died with the rest of her crew last week when the space shuttle Columbia exploded) was a member of at UWM in the early to mid 1980's. Just imagine the women in that old picture learning that another chapter sister many years hence would slip the surly bonds and fly into outer space?