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DSTCHAOS 05-13-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer (Post 1650763)
I doubt it, actually sounds admirable to me. This country's culture is going into the tank.

Remind me of what this country's culture is.

nate2512 05-13-2008 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AEPi BP (Post 1650748)
i just want to double check that all other minorities receive the same discrimination at your chapters because otherwise you aren't truly sticking to your values.

I don't see anything in how we choose members as discrimination. To discriminate is deny someone a right, and membership in my fraternity is NOT a RIGHT but rather a PRIVILEGE of which we can give, or take away as we see fit. If you don't like the way we do business, you don't have to, but don't criticize us for exercises our rights.

DSTCHAOS 05-13-2008 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CountryClub (Post 1650776)
I honestly haven't ever read a post by you where you add anything of value to the conversation.

How many posts have you been reading, "new person?" :)

Now, does this diversion attempt mean that you can't remind me of what this country's culture is?

Pledgetrainer 05-13-2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1650767)
Remind me of what this country's culture is.

What we had before it became acceptable for oiled-up gay men in full bondage gear to parade through the streets of downtown Atlanta every year. If heterosexuals did that they would be arrested instantly. Not to compare gays in fraternities to that, but a view on the changes in our culture which the South generally protests and rightly so.

CrackerBarrel 05-13-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1650781)
How many posts have you been reading, "new person?" :)

Now, does this diversion attempt mean that you can't remind me of what this country's culture is?

To be fair I fully agree with him. You point out mistakes, make jokes that aren't funny, take things out of context, and ask people to define things when it's obvious what it meant. And then act like you somehow have made this site so much better with your presence that you would be indispensable.

DSTCHAOS 05-13-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer (Post 1650782)
What we had before it became acceptable for oiled-up gay men in full bondage gear to parade through the streets of downtown Atlanta every year. If heterosexuals did that they would be arrested instantly. Not to compare gays in fraternities to that, but a view on the changes in our culture which the South generally protests and rightly so.

That doesn't answer my question but it leads to a question:

So you have a problem with oiled up gay men in full bondage gear parading around. Not with gay men who live their lives just as you should live yours, only with a man?

DSTCHAOS 05-13-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1650785)
To be fair I fully agree with him.

So this means you can't answer my question, either?

How many trolls/sockpuppets/whatever does it take to change a light bulb?

jon1856 05-13-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer (Post 1650782)
What we had before it became acceptable for oiled-up gay men in full bondage gear to parade through the streets of downtown Atlanta every year. If heterosexuals did that they would be arrested instantly. Not to compare gays in fraternities to that, but a view on the changes in our culture which the South generally protests and rightly so.

PT-While I think I understand what you are trying to say, you need to use a better legal analogy.

CrackerBarrel 05-13-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1650787)
So this means you can't answer my question, either?

How many trolls/sockpuppets/whatever does it take to change a light bulb?

None. That's what pledges are for.

How many posts does it take to do something other than make accusations and ask inane questions?

Pledgetrainer 05-13-2008 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1650786)
That doesn't answer my question but it leads to a question:

So you have a problem with oiled up gay men in full bondage gear parading around. Not with gay men who live their lives just as you should live yours, only with a man?

I don't personally think it's acceptable, but I also believe quite strongly in personal rights and they can do whatever they want as long as it's not around me. If they're in my fraternity, that creates a very, very uncomfortable situation for all involved. And just to state simple fact, it's not going to be allowed in 95% of Southern fraternities. I can only think of one here with an openly gay brother, and they're quite small.

DSTCHAOS 05-13-2008 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1650792)
How many posts does it take to do something other than make accusations and ask inane questions?

I haven't accused you of being an idiot yet. If you couldn't answer the question about American culture, you shouldn't have inserted yourself.

Pledgetrainer 05-13-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1650789)
PT-While I think I understand what you are trying to say, you need to use a better legal analogy.

You'd have to elaborate, it was not my intent to use a "legal" analogy whatever that may be. I was just trying to use an obvious and graphic analogy.

jon1856 05-13-2008 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer (Post 1650799)
You'd have to elaborate, it was not my intent to use a "legal" analogy whatever that may be. I was just trying to use an obvious and graphic analogy.

And it was legally incorrect.
You indicated that heterosexuals would be arrested. Given same situation, they would not be.
As for the rest, as I indicated, I believe I understood.

DSTCHAOS 05-13-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer (Post 1650795)
I don't personally think it's acceptable, but I also believe quite strongly in personal rights and they can do whatever they want as long as it's not around me. If they're in my fraternity, that creates a very, very uncomfortable situation for all involved. And just to state simple fact, it's not going to be allowed in 95% of Southern fraternities. I can only think of one here with an openly gay brother, and they're quite small.

I understand what you mean about comfort level and not wanting others to intrude on that.

From fear of repeating something from earlier in this interesting thread:

Going beyond the GLO aspect of it all, the average homosexual arguable isn't a fan of oiled up gay men parading around in bondage gear and would agree that it wears down America's moral fabric. Gays and lesbians cover the ideological and political spectrum and many also fight for what they perceive to be salvaging America's "culture" (although I'm still unsure about what our culture really is). Yet and still, homosexual conservative Republicans have a difficult time, even if their lives are no more controversial than anyone else's, aside from loving men.

CrackerBarrel 05-13-2008 04:22 PM

Fine. This country's culture is one of moral decay. We have an overwhelming sense of entitlement (which isn't always a bad thing, only when it's undeserved). Everyone expects special treatment and that there will always be someone there to provide a safety net when they ruin their lives by their own idiotic choices. Specific groups in this country have carried themselves in a way where they go through life looking for things to be offended by and then demand that they be compensated for and apologized to for something that was never intended to be offensive. Because of that people are scared to speak their minds and go about biting their tongues, further worsening our country because no one has the balls to point out the obvious problems.


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