Oh no!! I hope that the snaps are going well for all involved...

Yeah for the newest Phi Mu. I know a couple UGA Phi Mus, they are wonderful, by far one of the best Phi Mu chapters!

hurray!!! i am so excited to hear about a new phi!!! send our good wishes to your cousin!

Does anyone know the numbers for the DZ house at UGA yet?

Ditto. I hate to hear that kind of news about UGa, and hope that a lot more PNMs were able to find home during snaps.

Christin
(of course...if anyone knows how AOII did at Georgia, please be kind and PM me with details, and thank you in advance!)

Let's just be Panhellenic, and say, if anyone has the results from UGA's rush, would they please post them, or at least a link?

Thank you!!! :)

I know quota was 62 and I know Gamma Phi made quota.

That's the facts as I know them!:D

Congrats to Phi Mu for getting one of the Princesses of the Carnation Nation!

Ooooh I am SO excited that she went Phi Mu! Alpha Alpha is one of our best chapters and I am sure she will have an absolute BLAST! :)

Congrats! I'm dying to know the numbers...our Eta chapter is there.

unfortunately the greek life website is not kept current and no way would there be a list of bids matched like the auburn panhel site had -- sigh -- not even all the houses at UGA have current websites...

Someone out there must know details!!! I have heard through the grapevine... but nothing conclusive and only on a few chapters... and unfortunately, of the 10 chapters I have heard about.. with the exception of Gamma Phi Beta (congratulations)... no news has been positive... (this is my earpspeek)!!!!

If anyone knows about Pi Phi, please feel free to PM me... only if you know facts though... We have already had a few episodes of incorrect numbers posted about quota and rush this fall!!! (not intentional I might add... just misinformed!)

yeah for the carnation nation, another home run.
phi mu gets a winner.

I would be interested to know the numbers as well. I heard rush was really screwed up there this year. I wonder what causes that???

YAYAYAY!!!


Another wonderful addition to the Carnation Nation....a Phi Mu!!!


:D
She is going to have an AMAZING time!!!


I am so happy im bursting :D

:D:D:D:D:D

who is the other one....i am not following as well as i should be :D

If you hop over to the Delta Gamma forum there is a very interesting thread about UGA's recruitment titled "We Rock." Apparently DG preffed over 200 girls and took just 14. Something is very wrong... even traditionally strong UGA houses such as ADPi and AOPi had to snap bid.

wow i just read the DG rush thread. That is really strange. I wonder what could have happened. She even said something was weird like round 1.

Has the NPC ever sent consultants (or offiers!) down to UGA to monitor what goes on during recruitment and to see if they can find a solution to what seems like a pretty common problem at the university?? I was just curious because they've considered sending consultants to my school because of some dirty rushing (ie: chapters CALLING pnms during recruitment week, hotboxing, etc) problems that our advisors basically ignored and we usually only have a handful of bidless girls and one or two houses under quota.

I just read the thread on the DG forum. That is soooo messed up. Maybe the ghost of Billy Carter is matching the bids. :p

Yes I have posted on the DG forum under that thread. I just don't understand what happened? I think it could be a computer problem or something. That's all I can think of. I know our girls did an awsome job which is why I am so confused... :confused:

Weren't there some problems at UGA last year, too? I don't see how the "top" houses competing for the same girls should make that much difference. That happened at my school every year (although the system only had about 200 go through Pref) and we never had huge discrepancies.

my thoughts
 

This has happened to my chapter (nameless) at my school (nameless) in the past. The problem we had was that quota is set after round 3, so ladies who drop out afterwards are still part of the quota number. Other problems include suiciding (hate that word) and dirty rushing. In the past some chapters have dirty preffed and said to suicide and if the lady did not get in she would be snapped by the chapter.
Nothing hurts worse than a quota of 60 and only matching 12. I am sorry it happened to you guys and the other chapters at UGA who suffered b/c the system needs to be changed. Maybe this will be another catalyst for the changes, though I doubt it.
Good Luck!!
PC wishes,
C

Delta Zeta pledged 60 wonderful women, but I don't know about the other houses yet!

PI PHI MADE QUOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They pledged 62 NM and very happy!!!!!!!!!!!


I will update with other chapters when I find out!

I just read the Delta Gamma thread...VERY FISHY!!!!!

Is there a chapter advisor or someone you could talk to???

we had something similar happen to us one year, we met quota but some girls who we knew had put us first ended up somewhere else, then came back crying why we didnt take them...it turned out to be super dirty (rho gamma) rushing...
:(

but our advisor really fought for us and stood up for us til she was in tears over how unfair it was...nothing could be done about the girls who were cut (suddenly) but this year there are ALOT more strict rules in place for rho gammas to limit the number of "mistakes" that are made.

good luck with everything...does anyone know how the other organizations did and if other houses had similar problems????

Did I read the article from UGa correctly 1,245 young ladies received bids?

That does not calculate with quota of 62, with what has been posted or I have heard through the grapevine!

read between the lines
 

When I read the DG thread I see plenty of warning signs that the chapter may not make quota.

I seriously think we are going to rock rush! We found out today that each party will have 70 PNMs, which is good because that means only a few girls will have to double rush.
chapters that have to worry about double rushing meaning they don't have a competitive size with other chapters

Girls that were pulled to be cut 1st and 2nd round were back 3rd round. Just not good!!
Obviously this chapter needs to be inviting women back to have full parties. Weak rushing chapters often have women who chapter members want released invitied back. The chapter members notice this as rush goes on..

I am not sure about the preffing over 200 girls and matching so few. They would have had to have about 66 women per party so they would have had full pref parties. However as a former advisor I never told chapters exactly what their returns were...

I don't think it's quite fair to call DG a "weak rushing chapter." As someone stated above, AOPi and ADPi (both EXTREMELY strong houses at UGA) had to snap bid.

I have heard SO many horror stories about rush at UGA. I think there is clearly a problem in the system...which sucks, since a bad rush can KILL a chapter.

I heard a good story to come out of UGA's rush.

2 freshman girls that graduated from my high school had been friends for years and played high school softball together. One went through rush at Auburn, the other at UGA.

The Auburn girl recieved a bid on Saturday to Alpha Chi Omega, and tonight, her UGA friend recieved her bid...


... to Alpha Chi Omega :D

I think we need to hear from either recruitment chairs or recruitment advisers before we come to any judgements and to truly find out if houses really had to snap bid. The amount of stuff that is said during recruitment in private and on bid days is not always accurate.

After two years in a row, I would think that the NPC needs to take a good look at what's happening! These numbers are just not adding up properly!

Re: read between the lines
 

I'm not sure how this became a bash UGA DG thread. :rolleyes:

There are many reasons chapters can temporarily be at a small size...high graduation rate the previous year, for example, or many students on junior year abroad. I think it is unfair and rude to label a chapter you know nothing about as a "weak rushing" chapter.

As we went through last year...there are lots of messes within the UGA system and I sincerely hope everyone who got screwed by it this year takes some action. It is not fair to the sororities or rushees.

Re: Re: read between the lines
 

No, we don't want to bash anyone!
This is what I've learned. There are definitely a number of houses that made quota. And, there are houses that had to snap-bid. What is interesting and peculiar, I guess, is that some of the houses that offered snap-bids are houses that are considered the traditionally strong, or top houses, at UGA. I have heard that some of the snap-bids went to girls who were cut after second round. Anyway, that's the poop from me. If I can verify who is going to do COB I will post that for you all. Thanks!

has anyone gotten the results yet, I mean in terms of all the chapters and how they did?

SDT sarah and 33 girl I appreciate you help in defending DG. Although I shouldn't have to defend it to ANYONE. I know our girls did an awsome job and I don't want anyone cutting on them. I don't know why things are so screwed up but I believe the problem is with the system and probably not specific soroties. I'm sorry if I have "ruffled some feathers" but this is my opinion ;)

i meant that the other rush thread i've ever read going phi mu was CarolinaCutie....but two of Angels and Arrows cousin's friends went Phi Mu too

Re: read between the lines
 

Are you kidding me????


Take UCF for example where most chapters are at or above total. Before the end of each school year, your chapter has about 150-160 members. Then, the seniors leave which drops the chapter down to about 120-130 members. Rush begins. There are 1100 PNM's going through and ten sororities. That's 110 girls per party. This chapter also has girls out of the house who are on recruitment exec, panhellenic exec, and Rho Gamma's. This could drop a chapter to about 100 members during rush. This is how double rushing occurs! When I went through rush and while I participated in rush over the past couple of years, all the top chapters on our campus (who were waaaay above total) had to double rush. There are more PNM's than sorority members.

Maybe you should look at the school's chapter total and the number of PNM's going through recruitment before you make a narrow-minded comment.

EXCELLENT POINT! Although other people here may have been advisors somewhere...we don't know what happened on this particular day, behind those particular doors. It is unfortunate, but you know what? SH*T HAPPENS! I do think that the matter should be further explored by NPC to see if there is a valid reason for the events. Because the truth is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!

As many people have pointed out, it only takes one rush to make or break a chapter. For the most part, a chapters make-up varies year to year!

I'm proud of my UGA DG's and know that they got the 14 best girls for our organization! All the rest is just hoo-ha! :D

Greetings!! I just wanted to jump in with a few extra ideas, not just for this particular situation, but that I think can apply elsewhere. It is good to talk about ways to refine the process, and I glad that NPC has begun an evalutaion. I definitely agree that sometimes that things just happen. There is so much that can be predicted about recruitment, and so many things that cannot. I really think luck/chance is a part of all of this. Even strong chapters can have an off year and other chapters a stellar year. There are so many variables!!

Anyway, I think that it is never unreasonable to evaluate all aspects of recruitment each year to evaluate the process. Sometimes even little tweaks can make a big difference. Looking at when quota is set and how release figures/return rates are used are good places to start in any system to try and minimize the things than can just happen. Change what can be changed if need be!

According to the Greek Book, quota can be set entering the second invititational round, before Round 3 because Round 1 (Open House) is not invitational, for example. This can help if a lot of drops occur in the first two days. Quota is more realistic.

The Greek advisor can also work with the chapters on release figures. If a chapter is consistently in the high 90s or at 100 percent for a round, the Greek advisor can ask that they stick to this value and not keep more. The really strong chapters keeping extra girls will only hurt the girls. Many will keep the stronger chapters, even if they are not a good fit, but in reality they may not even have a chance for a bid. That sometimes happen with all of the strong chapters looking at the same girls, and many going bidless. The girls wil not have more chances to look at other groups. For chapters with lower rates, the Greek advisor can work with a chapter allowing it to keep more girls if they would like, even above the release figures. This does not mean that everyone has to be asked back every round, but it gives more flexibility to the chapter leadership and their advisors to do what is best.

It seems logical that these things will occur everywhere, but in my experience, they don't. Even little changes like these have helped Valpo. Maybe they can help others.

Regardless of what has really happened at UGA, I hope all of the chapters are proud of their members and the effort they all put into recruitment. Have a fabulous new member period!!!!

ValpoKD