I leave an go to Texas for a week and UFPike is banned. He may have made some poor choices in wording but he was a basically okay guy. He was definitely an interesting character here in GCland.

Whether you love him or hate him...
 

he appears to be back. There is a UFPika now posting. I'm not sure if it's the same guy though.

DeltAlum, well said!!

I think it's interesting that so many people are crying foul that UF_Pike was banned. I have to say that his outrageously sexist and offensive posts bothered me from day one, when he first came on here asking why sorority girls are so tripped out and on drugs, and I'm glad he was banned.

To those who think he should not have been banned and that those of us who didn't like his posts should ignore them -- are you saying that it is okay to run around saying things that are blatantly offensive to women, and that we as women should just smile and look the other way?

I would be willing to bet all the money I have in the bank that if this were a race issue instead of gender, many more people would have supported the banning of UF_Pike. I'm betting that if it were a race issue, nobody would say "ignore him" and "he's just trying to get a rise out of you." People would have been PISSED OFF.

As a woman, I take it very seriously when women are demeaned and disrespected. Don't you?

Well, he did say something about Asians and Hispanics. I think both were deleted.

Thank you, valkyrie, for saying EXACTLY what I was thinking! Quite honestly, I find it disturbing that there are women on this board who have stuck up for UF_Pike. In my opinion, that's kind of like a Jewish person sticking up for Hitler. :eek: Very, very disturbing. :(

The prob with the argument "just ignore the posts" is that the posts are on an open forum that is read by many PNMs and others.

Nobody wants to be cyber-police, but we should have some accountibility about what we post on this forum. Banning is a small price to pay for being an in-your-face-jerk.

Mr. anal-retentive, I don't think anyone was talking shit by ordering your principles incorrectly

What exactly is the job of a moderator? If someone post something that he/she deems inappropriate or offensive, why doesn't the moderator of that forum just either:

1.) Delete the thread ?
2.) Delete or edit the post ?

After all, isn't this too a function of being a moderator? I know of some forums on GC where the moderators are very active in doing this and it has been very effective in keeping down the drama. Unfortunately, I can name a general forum where this is poorly executed and therefore stays full of mess and drama. Forexample, he did say some VERY nasty, mean, and disrespectful things to and about PM_Mama that I firmly believe the moderator should have deleted ASAP, but unfortunately those post are still there to this day. :rolleyes: And yes UF's post were finally deleted but that was only after the banning.

To everyone:

Granted some of you think UF_Pike was a jerk, but quite frankly there are a lot of you that I think are jerks too. However just because I think that doesn't mean that you should be banned. My point is that it behooves us to have many different points of views when it comes to discussions, at least if we are all the adults that we CLAIM to be. Ok, so if someone says something that you deem offensive, then report that post to the moderator of the forum. Hopefully, the moderator will step in not let the offensive post just sit out there for everyone to see.

Hey, or maybe a function can be added to where you can just ban people from a specific forum and not the board as a whole?

See, now that I'm offended by. It is not the same AT ALL. I would never even connect the two in any way. Yes, women have suffered and died at the hands at men but never have they seen a massacre as great as the one Hitler did to the Jews 50 years ago. To correlate the two is absolutely absurd.

Yes, UF_Pike did say something about Mexican girls coming after him and he found that scary. Why?

I was really offended.

John delted the post and banned UF_Pike because he broke the rules he agreed to when he signed up for his account. Plain and simple. Lets please drop the topic. We are beating a dead horse.

Uh...no actually, it is not the same AT ALL. UF_Pike did not orchestrate the genocide of millions. All he did was ruffle some feathers on GC. Not the best comparison ever.

As a woman who "stuck up for" UF_Pike, I think that both you and Valkyrie have blown it out of proportion. I am not gonna picket GC over him being banned, but I just don't think that the content of his posts warranted such an action. And I HARDLY think that disagreeing with UF_Pike being banned makes me less of a woman. His posts were misogynistic. And? I am not advocating the downfall of women. I am simply saying that it was unfair to ban a member of GC based on more-or-less the hypersensitivity of some other members.

I have read MANY more offensive posts on GC, heck, just mosey over to Greek Life where right now some of you all are engaged in a debate about homosexuals in Greekdom. Some of those posts (not necessarily made by anyone on this thread), have been unapologetically OFFENSIVE. No one is screaming for those posters to be banned. I have read more than a few profanity-laced, latently offensive posts here on chit chat. The difference is that I am fairly thick-skinned. If someone says something that I don't like, I am not going to lose sleep over it. If I disagree, I may voice my opinion, but I am not going to let it ruin my day.

Lighten up people. If you don't want to ignore him, fine. If you want to respond to him, fine. But the results are no one's fault but your OWN...KNOWING that he came SOLELY to get a rise out folks and y'all fed into it. And if you are honest, there are posters on GC that have been MORE abrasive than UF_Pike, and hey, most of them are still here.

stupid, but...

True...other people have been rude as all hell, but are generally good posters. For example....generally I think that UNF is a good poster....I don't necesarily think he's being exactly compassionate on the homosexual board currently going on, but as he is a generally good poster...he has some slack. The TKE guy maybe should be contacted and asked to clean up his act or prepare for banishment. The point being....UF was only controversial and offensive...he contributed nothing but the personal satisfaction of offending others. There lies the difference.

Ahh...so there are degrees? So if someone makes an insanely offensive post but then has a post that SOMONE on GC deems insightful, then it balances out? Sorry, this doesn't make much sense. It doesn't matter what a person has contributed in the past, if they begin to post offensive comments at any time, the treatment should be the same. Just because you (general you, no YOU specifically) do not agree with what someone says doesn't mean it doesn't have merit. I challenge anyone to search UF_Pike's posts and tell me that ALL of them were offensive.

I might just be very liberal, but I simply do not agree that anyone on GC should be "banished" due to the sensitivity of some of the members.

And hey, lol, if PM_Mama, who had the MOST trouble with him, is questioning the banishment, that means something!

Perhaps you somewhat miss my point. And we'll gop out on a limb and say there were two or three posts by UF that someone wasn't offended by, though that is likely to stretch the truth....Nevertheless, there is an enormous difference between someone who is offensive in 99% of his posts then someone who is offensive very seldom and only about one topic.....I believe that if someone is offensive regarding one topic then they should be asked kindly to not stir trouble there or there will be a threat of banishment.

Are there degrees? I'm not sure that is what I was saying, but for your word choice, we'll go with it....yes, there are degrees. Now wait....don't be an ass about it like your last post...there is a difference between an insanely offensive post....no, there is no balancing act to be done. But, if one person is always bad and the other one is occasionaly, but not generally...then they are leagues apart. There is no one on this board I feel deserves to have been banned more than UF and I was only wondering how many more people he'd have to offend before it happened.

John runs the site. He can ban who he wants to. UF_Pike broke the rules. John warned him but UF_Pike continued to "harrass". UF_Pike was banned because he did not listen to reason. Complaining that he was banned will not bring him back so whats the point?

The TKE guy maybe should be contacted and asked to clean up his act or prepare for banishment.

When I first read UF's posts, I was indeed insulted, but saw some of the replies that seemed to find humor so I just decided I didn't LIKE that kind of humor and never read is posts again.

The TKE poster has offended me a bit more for too many reasons to list.

Wil I be banned if say I don't believe a "John" really exists???

Comparing Ufpike to the anti-christ is not funny. Some how it does not surprise me that it came from DzRose93. She seems to have an excuse for everything and always a come back. You people ought to check out the pi kappa alpha forum and see what she had to say about him. It was not nice.


As for SigmaChiGuy, I will ask that he be banned and also the guy speaking offensive things about homosexuals. Both of you were offensive. That was breaking the rules. If a ban does not come out of it and only a warning, I will be watching you to report anything that breaks the rules after the warning. Ultimately it is up to this guy John, but if the rules do not apply to everyone and certain graces are given to those higher on the social latter of GC, it only shows non-greeks that they are right when it comes to greeks not being fair/justly.

I sent him a PM about it all.


No you won't be banned;)
John is real though he does speak just do a search on him.

I wouldn't say there is a social latter here. As for John its never been determined if he is even in GLO. All we know is he works for scholarstuff to run the site. John is a very impartal person.

The person posting the DZ "secrets" was banned very quickly. As for why was a person named PhiMuSecrets allowed to register...the naming function doesn't know the name means anything. Someone could register as Jesus Christ and it wouldn't pick it up.

A lot of what I'm going to post has been said already, but hopefully I can put a different spin on it than what has been previously stated. I feel that banning UF_Pike was a bit of an overkill, although I can understanding the underlying reasons for doing so. The reason that I don't think he should be banned is that I think it comes down to a lack of judgement on his part.

Many of the things that he said in his posts are things that a lot of men have either said or felt in the past, including myself. He made a mistake by posting such statements on a very public board such as Greekchat. I thought that quite a few of his posts were amusing, as long as I took them for a grain of salt.

Anyway, that is my two cents, and I agree with other posters that there are individuals that are more deserving of a ban than UF_Pike was.

Sorry that you were offended, ZTAngel and Honeykiss. All I'm saying is that I find it very strange that some GC women are sticking up for someone who, on GC, has made it clear that he feels women are valuable only if they look good -- if they are sex symbols -- and that their opinions don't count unless they have a pretty face. I find that just as odd as I would to hear a Jewish person saying that Hitler wasn't all bad. I certainly wasn't trying to say that UF_Pike is the modern-day version of Hitler for women. It was a comparison, not an equation. For the record, part of my immediate family is Jewish. I'm highly aware that the Holocaust is vastly different than the struggle for women's equality. If you like, then use this example instead... Women sticking up for UF_Pike on GC is as odd to me as members of my church sticking up for Marilyn Manson.

Lets put it this way. I don't think us females who have said the ban was wrong are sticking up for him and saying what he said was true and was right. I think our point as many have stated is that the kid was out for shock-value and thats all it should have been taken as. He needed some attention possibly and GC definately gave it to him. Moreover, there have definately been worst things said on this board than that. Its the internet, I know a lot of people are more sensitive than others, but except when it gets really personal (i.e its directed towards you specifically), most of us just took what he said with a grain of salt and left it for that. There have been many times when I was personally attacked kind of viciously, but never asked anyone to be banned. Yeah it annoyed me, but believe me I got over it in about 3 secs.

So maybe this should happen. Maybe there should be an Important thread (like the 9/11 one) for awhile at the top of each forum stating the rules of GC just to remind everyone of what they are and what is expected. From then on everyone starts with a clean slate. You get warned 3 times, then your gone. And this should go for everyone, whether you have guest, member, junior, senior or moderator status. Its just an idea? This thread is kinda going to the too far level and like many other threads people are going to start throwing out offenses.

Ahh...some comic relief...it's like wondering about the Wizard of Oz...the man behind the curtain...

Anyway, I know UF_Pike will not come back to this board with the same name, but if anything this thread is helping us understand how GC works...

You are taking it way too seriously. We are not "STICKING UP FOR" him. We are simply saying that based on his posts, and in comparison to other posts, we don't feel that his punishment necessarily fit the crime, so to speak.

SigChi, no need to insult, I said what I had to say. I was trying to get some clarity from your post since there wasn't really any apparent, originally. Read the edit, understand a little better. However, I simply do not agree. I think that you are careful to say that things are only offensive in certain contexts and certain instances. In fact, an offensive thing is an offensive thing. That is what I meant by "degrees". Is there a certain scale to which something must be deemed offensive before the poster is placed under consideration to be banned?

Bottom line, UF_pike was not meant to be taken seriously. EVER. And for those who did, YOUR bad for being too sensitive. For once, I am in TOTAL agreement with PM_Mama.

Too late! Someone already did!;)

What was that?

Wow, Hell done obviously froze over, lol.

Seriously though, have you guys READ that gay and greek thread? And those people are still on GC? After that UNF guy had the NERVE to try and use KD's motto? And UF_Pike gets banned? Are you SERIOUS?

In my eyes, one is so much more offensive than the other! UF_Pike was full of it. He was trying to get attention, and he flat out admitted it. A lot of his posts were somewhat offensive, but I never felt like he meant them- he was just out to get a reaction, and people fell for it.

But to flat out disrespect a sorority and a sorority's letters because one of them says something that you disagree with.... Big Difference. There Is No Excuse.

My opinion- rules are being applied arbitrarily here. I personally don't care too much for UF_Pike either way, but if the rules are going to be enforced then they should be enforced for all.

squeaky wheel...
 

If people have a problem with something that is being posted in a forum, then they have several options.

1) They can PM any moderator and voice their concern.

2) They can hit the "report this post to a moderator" button in the bottom right corner of each post, which will automatically let the specific forum mods know about the post.

3) They can e-mail or PM John Hammell, the gentleman who is in charge of GreekChat and who has the final say in who gets banned, warned, etc.

The reason that the rules are being "applied arbitrarily" is because the moderators take action concerning posts and/or posters that are brought to their attention. Although we try to keep an eye on our own forums as well as others, we're human and some threads do get by. As a result, we may never know that a problem exists unless someone tells us about it.

The reason that UF_Pike has been banned and some other folks haven't is because UF_Pike's name was brought up to several moderators by many different GCers. So, basically, the squeaky wheel got the grease.

If y'all have a problem with someone, please inform a moderator and we'll do our best to take care of it. A lot of people seem to think that we're "out to get" certain posters, and that's simply not true. We try to make GC a nice place to visit for everyone, so let us know if you have a concern. That's the best way to help GC stay a nice place. :)

**lovelyivy84, I'll be glad to take a look at the thread you mentioned. Thanks for bringing it up.**

PM_Mama00 -- I just sent you a PM. :)

It cracks me up when people say "out in the real world things are different." All my life I've been waiting to get into the real world. Well, this is it. Just because we can't see each other's faces doesn't mean it's not real.

We out here in the "real world" DO try to get rid of people that bug us, whether we have a fair claim for that or not. Sure, your best friend cheats with and then steals your girlfriend from you, you get him kicked out of the house. Fair enough, maybe. You don't like a PNM because her older sister teased you in 5th grade? You cut the PNM. Not fair, but we do it.

College world still not "real"? How about work? If, on the job, a man called his female co-workers "sweetie" and "honey" etc., like it or not, in this day and age he could probably be fired or sued for sexual harassment. Whether you think that's fair or not, it is that way here in "reality." It's not only on a BBS that folks take actions for words they deem offensive.

We all know people who we try to avoid whether it's just because they're irritating or because they have done very bad things. And if you don't want to be around someone in the physical world, it's generally EASIER to avoid them than it is on here. Here, you ban someone, they can easily come back under another name. It's not that easy in real life. In real life, if everything thinks you're a jerk, you pretty much have to move far away before you can get a clean slate.

So whether or not you like UF_Pike, or think he deserved to be banned, or just found him amusing if misguided ... those folks who wanted him banned weren't doing anything different than we all do on a daily basis. They were successful, is all.

FuzzieAlum,

Are we related? We appear to have the same last name.

OK, cheesy joke.

Nice bit of reality on the post above. I've been in the position of having to terminate a "good" employee for offensive comments.

UNF_Pike was WAY over the line.

In terms of the guys (UNFSigmaChi and TKEwhatever) on the Gay post, at least SigmaChi is taking a moral stand with respect for other posters. TKE is pushing the limits, but at least is debating something he obviously feels strongly about.

I think both are misguided, but they are entitled to their opinions.

UNF_Pike was just being offensive.

So UNFSigma Chi was entitled to disrespect the letters and motto of another Sorority in his zealousness to protect his right to discriminate? I don't think so!

That was what got me- the personal attacks on his and TKE's part. Absolutely inexcusable.

here i am again
 

I've been sitting back watching all this after I was one of the firsts to "defend" UF. I've noticed an amusing trend in that the mods. continue to get more and more defensive about their decision. Did ya'll think we were gonna thank you? Even if you didn't, which I'm sure you didn't, did you not stop to think that maybe people would have a problem with this since most of the vulgarity surrounding UF was related to other "more respected" members attacking him. I think one of the only people he attacked personally was one of my sisters, other than that it was all on ya'll giving it to him because you felt threatened by someone who actually possesses social skills. Now before you bend me over your knee, I completely agree the things he spoke were not social graces, however, to condemn his friends for "defending" something so biased happening to him is just as ridiculous. I found his posts about women mildly amusing, does that make me crazy in some of your eyes, yes, and that's ok. We all know men like him, in fact the majority of his chapter here was like him. That's what I appreciated the most, their ability to always turn a touchy situation into humor. Now if ya'll wanna get political and turn this into a feminism thing, then that's your deal, but that's really just one more way to detract the attention away from an already bad situation that you ended up in the middle of. But perhaps if the mods. stopped defending themselves, they wouldn't come off like they feel something is wrong with the banning, further encouraging the rest of us to go on about this issue.

At any rate, yes there is a "heirarchy" here on GC. Anyone who claims there isn't is just ass kissing so they can move on up into the "upper level". Personally, I don't buy into it. You are going to form an opinion about me, my fraternity, and my sisters based on what you perceive. If I give you nothing but the best to rate us on, you'll still find something wrong with us because that's how it goes. All you have to do is refer back to the "Stud" thread to see how people will come up with anything to beat down another person/chapter so they feel better about themselves.

Now, this probably doesn't make much sense because it is put together in a random way, but the bottom line is I REFUSE to kiss anyone's ass so that I'm "well liked on GC." We all have opinions on here that differ, for once everyone is voicing them, including me, simply because I think the way everyone agrees on here and tries to be so PC in reference to everyone else on here is straight BS! Get a backbone, and welcome to the real world...where everyone isn't friends all the time, and God forbid, doesn't always agree on an issue.

Not my point at all. The debate here (on this thread) is why UNF_Pike got banned (and, to some extent, why the other two didn't). Although the lines can blur, there are substantial differences between being disrespectful and being downright offensive.

Don't try to read something between my lines which isn't there. I'm not a proponent of either of the above, but my comment has nothing whatsoever to do with respect -- it has to do with a difference in intent. Two are making an argument (whether you agree or not), the other was simply trying to be offensive.

That, to me, is the reason he is gone and the others are still here.

I don't agree with UNFSX and TKE -- at all -- but I think there is a big gap between them (Well, at least UNFSX -- TKE pushes the line) and UNF_Pike.

I will agree that personal attacks and name calling have no place here. That's why I think TKE is pushing the outside of the envelope.

ha ha! I wish there were more Greeks in my family!