Oh no! How dare this thread not be totally serious. :eek: What to do?! What to do?!

OK, who came over from HPRL to post this nonsense?

Dude, April Fools isn't funny if it's this confusing. :/

(keeping this thread awesome: anyone play a good prank?)

Opening this thread was worth it just for this. iDied.

RE: Chicken guy
 

Ahhhhhh! :D

That’s the exact opposite of what I am trying to say! I WANT you to care MORE about their grades, personality (currently, not a year ago), campus involvement, blahblahblah and LESS about the fact they depledged an organization last year. Are you seriously kidding me when you say there are diminishing ROI for making new friends, mentoring a young women or ANY of the other benefits of joining our organizations? I’m not saying Suzie Sorority should get a bid to the most competitive organization at the most competitive school in the country. I am saying that every organization from Chi O to AEPhi should at least give her an equal opportunity. If she doesn’t fit your organization because of her personality or grades, fine – drop her. But you’re not even giving these girls a chance because they didn’t give you a chance first. Straight talk with them, the chances are slim but if you get involved on campus outside Greek Life, meet members of different organizations, do study hours and keep your GPA up, etc those are ways to stand out at recruitment. I’m no better than any other member on this board or in my organization or Greek Life anywhere and I have never claimed to be. I would love this to open up to a discussion, but the same women who are discouraging PNMs are making the chances of a true discussion impossible.

P.S. I know I'm wordy. I also know most people who are going to comment on this will be more worried about my word count than my message.

P.S.S. to Shirely, since your still an active member and might read this, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE what you said in that quote! Sorry you had to get dragged into this though.

So you want sororities to consider somebody who already showed lack of commitment, and will be there for less time then a stellar freshman?

Reading all this, I get what you are saying. But one thing is being left out here - hard as it is to face - but a sorority is also a business. Sorry, folks, but that's the plain, unvarnished truth. As one of our former International Presidents said "Delta Gamma runs on love and money." All things being equal, the scales tip in favor of the one who will be there the longest, investing her time, money and talents in the chapter.

.

Exactly. Having once offered an opportunity to join a sisterhood an organization would be foolish to extend themselves for someone they know 1.) wasn't interested in them and 2.) has a proven record of dropping out rather than someone who doesn't have those two strikes. There are too many well-qualified pnms who don't have this baggage - it's a competitive system. A freshman who can offer 4 years of commitment and who hasn't proven to be a quitter is of COURSE going to be more attractive to a GLO.

That said, ClosedMinded, you shouldn't assume you know how much weight is given to individual aspects of sorority membership selection. You are making the assumption that you do - and you don't.

k_s, your image isn't showing.

i hereby demand back my time wasted browsing through this thread.

We have given them a chance the first time they rushed. They didn't meet our criteria then for whatever reason and they won't meet our criteria the second time around after quitting another chapter. Unless something has dramatically changed. Like they cured cancer.

Cliffnotes:

ClosedMinded thinks that we're all meanies for telling sophomores who rush at SEC uber-competitive recruitments that they're going to have a hard time getting into a chapter, especially if they went through all/part of recruitment last year and didn't like the results.

She'd like us all to advocate for different MS criteria and raise Totals so that we can pledge sophomores and juniors without having to unfairly cut them just because of their class standing.

She also refused to listen to any of the rational rebuttals we've provided, and thinks she knows what's best based solely on her own highly unusual experience at a "very competitive New England/Mid-Atlantic recruitment".

That's about it.

This made me LOL.

I'd really love to hear where this "very competitive New England/Mid-Atlantic recruitment" is. Mid-Atlantic might be possible, but New England? Really?

1) You're making assumptions about our membership selection procedures. Maybe every sorority member here always pushed for the underdog to receive a bid. You don't know, so stop trying to make us sound like we're out to get the girls who didn't take the "easier" road on their way to receiving a bid.

2) You didn't exactly approach this in the best way. I don't know why you're so surprised that people here are confused and/or mad at you.

3) It could have been a rational discussion if you offered to have one. Instead, you're still saying that certain members here (who you fail to point the finger at directly) are discouraging PNMs from rushing.. Which is bs. Again, sorry we tell PNMs the truth.

Actually, no.. I'm not sorry.

Dartmouth. Although if that's the vantage point she's coming from, she has NO clue what she's talking about (i.e., from what I've read, Greek life functions are open to everyone, not just Greek members). She lso fails to see that it's the administration, not the actives, keeping things "exclusive" by refusing to allow as many sororities as a Northern campus with a large amount of Greek interest could maintain. (That is...Northern schools usually have 15 chapters of 70 each as opposed to a Southern school with 7 chapters of 250 each.)

I would too! I grew up in New England, and I can't think of even one school that's "very competitive". I never heard anyone talk about Greek life EVER while I was growing up. I graduated from a high school that had nearly 4000 students, and I can only think of MAYBE 5 people I know who joined a social GLO.. And all but one of them are guys.

Greek life just isn't "a way of life" up there.

http://www.siyclone.com/forum//style...spitcoffee.gif
http://www.siyclone.com/forum//style...ault/dead3.gif

That's because the word count (compounded by the lack of paragraphs) is making it harder to follow your message.

Two words: Gettysburg Address.

Or, as my favorite writing coach told me: "tidy it up!"

I don't know about everyone else, but I've found that if I'm truly wanting to have a discussion about something, it's counter productive to open with, "I don't care if I offend you - listen up!" That generally tends to make people a bit defensive.

Also, your username confuses me. Are you close to having a mind (but not there yet!), thus making you Close-Minded? Or did you mean to say you're ClosedMinded? I don't think I'd admit to being closed minded - it's not something to be proud of.

I've said it before and undoubtedly will say it again, if it's YOU getting cut, it's COMPETITIVE. She went through an extremely competitive rush FOR HER. It didn't go well, and again if my guess was right, it wasn't resolved positively until a chapter colonized in her junior/senior year (VCU maybe?) and then she lived happily ever after.

But I think it's a vast presumption that the sororities, even at the super duper Greek schools cut all girls in the scenarios given. Sophomores and even junior girls DO get offered membership at those schools. They have to be the whole enchilada with extra sauce, but even if that girl did have a lousy first rush and she did accept the bid to "that house" which she eventually dropped out of, she could STILL get a bid next time. Even at super duper Greek school. It's just not common, and that's where we advise girls to not get their hearts too set. Yes it CAN happen, but you better be ready for some cuts because the IT chapter on campus will have 200 whole enchiladas with extra sauce to choose from.

I agree. I hate disclaimers in verbal and written communication. It sets the tone and shapes how people receive the message. Just say what you need to say and let others determine whether (insert common disclaimers).

I guess you all have decided this isn't a sockpuppet and the discussion is worth replying to. LOL.

Membership selection is the private business of each organization.
Stop pushing your agenda.
The. End.

Darn. Too late for the chicken man.

Or...."Kill your darlings."

I thought it was a joke.

I don't know whether the OP is a troll or not. Here is my $.02 on the topic. I try to always be upbeat and positive when replying to PNM's who genuinely want information/advice on the whole Fraternity Recruitment thing. I post in the way I'd want to be responded to if I were a PNM seeking advice on this board. Obviously, I cannot speak for Sorority PNM's on this board, but I would hope other people would respond to PNM's in the way they'd like to be responded to if they were in their shoes.

http://www.fundraising.org/images/fu...es_oranges.png

Also, this is not really what the OP is talking about.

Hey, I thought you didn't read!

I read some of the "LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN. I AM NOT BEING MEAN" QFPs.

I read it as her referring to the designation women GLOs were given before the term sorority was created. I don't know the exact date, I think around the late 1800's / early 1900's, women GLOs were referred to as a fraternity, as in Kappa Alpha Theta Fraternity, Kappa Kappa Gamma Fraternity and Pi Beta Phi Fraternity. The term sorority was first used with Gamma Phi Beta.

Any NPC member please correct me if I am wrong.

It's a him.

Thanks!:)

My 2 cents: The only really competitive school (from what I have heard talking to my cousin) that I can think of thats in New England is Cornell. She was really surprised how 'Southern' recruitment/greek life was there. Especially for an Ivy League school. But I'm not trying to imply that is in the same league as the SEC.

And again, that is competitive for a different reason - not because the women are 4th generation ABCs and all know each other from HS.

New York is not part of New England.