I have that same magazine holder :) I don't see how it could possibly break, though. Mine is super sturdy. I think filing complaints with eBay is the thing to do. If you had used Paypal, they'd be getting you your $ back soon. Let us know what his seller name is so we can all avoid him!

I ALWAYS pay through paypal with a credit card. I don't trust sellers who don't use paypal. While I realize paypal takes a chuck of your profits, it really offers a level of protection to both parties.

When you pay through paypal, you have a level of protection through paypal, then if paypal does not cooperate, you can disbute it through your credit card.

AXOAlum, I have the feeling that you're going to end up screwed. You may want to go on one of the ebay message boards and ask for advice from people there.

Ditto!!

Which is why I (and the PO) believes it to have been broken when it was sold thus the requirement for insurance :rolleyes: cool finds for you is the name of the business.

Ebay has yet to contact me - I'm going to try it again!

I'd love to see someone who was ripped off by an ebay seller on one of those Judge Shows - if for nothing else, to see how it's settled.

It would have to be Judge Judy -- she can't stand people who try to rip off others. Judge Joe only wants you if it involves a baby daddy or a family dispute usually involving mass quantities of alcohol and or drugs, and Judge Milian (People's Court) won't add anything on, even if she does find that you are entitled to more than you sued for. (yeah, I DVR The People's Court) :o

God, I am sure you are still pissed off and rightly so.

Cast Iron just doesn't break.:mad: There is no damn way you can have it fixed either!:(

There was a dispute and it took a month for ebay to get back with me today and that was an amiable problem solved between me and seller. He just wanted his posting fees back.

For those that do not know, PayPal is owned by ebay.

I do not use paypal on anything I buy or sell even though I have an account. I never give a credit card # to anyone I do not deal with at the shop I own.

It is like going shopping anywhere and not having the receipt to take back, you get screwed.

I would write this for feedback:
arrived broken; seller won't reimburse

That's really crappy what that person did. I'm sorry to hear that, hopefully it can get resolved somehow.

I have always looked into ebay, both buying and selling stuff, but always worried about the reliability of others on something like that.

One of my friends sells stuff all the time on there and has good feedback, but you never know who is going to buy from you.

The friend sold something on there just recently for my boyfriend (big item, never used) and once bidding was done, the guy emailed him and said he couldn't pay.

I question what the heck are you doing bidding on something that you can't pay for? There should be someway where you can't bid if you do not have thhe money. So then he had to relist it again.

Hi AXOAlum,

This sucks, but frankly I think your best bet is to just drop it and leave negative feedback at the 90 day mark.

I started using eBay 8 years ago and have done about 1,200 transactions (buying and selling), and I was active on the SafeHarbor board a couple of years- and your story happens a lot.

Back when eBay was smaller, you could get a lot more personal attention when things went wrong. Once- back in 2000- an eBay staffer saw my item photos had uploaded with really dark exposure, and she adjusted them and emailed me to let me know. Back then, you could actually call eBay and speak to a live person in California at their offices.

But now, forget it. The automated complaint system seems to be constantly overloaded with complaints.

As for Paypal claims- the buyer is going to be given the benefit of the doubt in all cases if the seller cannot prove the item was shipped.

By "prove the item was shipped", I mean if the seller can show proof that he delivered a package of some kind to you- then you are not going to get an automatic solution.

For USPS shipping, that means insurance. So since this guy insured the package, he can show proof he mailed you something and that means you are in for a long Paypal dispute with several email exchanges.

The real consumer power is to pay via Paypal with a credit card and then do a chargeback through your credit card company. This forces Paypal to handle it themselves with the seller and then you have nothing more to worry about. But most credit card companies require you initiate a chargeback within 30 days- so acting fast is important.

I am not sure about now, but before the merger Paypal was NOT regulated as a banking institution. So they had- and I think still have- a great deal of power to handle a dispute in their own way. So unlike your bank or credit card company, they are not compelled by law or competition for customers to offer you as a buyer that same level of protection.

All that said, in eBay's defense they must get a flood of complaints and in order to remain a neutral venue there are certain things they cannot do. If you go to the mall, buy a T-shirt at the Gap and get home and find it was torn, take it back and get refused a refund at the Gap- you cannot go to the mall management company and expect them to force the Gap to give you a refund for obvious reasons. Same logic applies to eBay.

Generally speaking, I think eBay has depressed prices for a great many products- especially collectibles and used items- to the benefit of consumers but as it has evolved and grown it has become subject to the same kinds of risks you would face in any other major retail venue, except that you never meet your seller or see the item before you receive it.

Probably more than you wanted to know, but there it is.

As for feedback- you have up to 90 days, so I always advise people to leave their negatives on the 90th day. That said, the 90 days does not always seem to be a hard and fast rule, so your seller may still have a couple of days to neg you back.

I have a couple of negatives on my record- inevitable when you have a lot of transactions- but I have probably saved myself 5 or 6 negatives by just forgetting about it when getting screwed over on a small item.

It is just a reality that you are going to get somewhat hosed either way, and so you have to decide whether to take the financial loss or spend time trying to get a refund and get a negative on your record.

Anyway- hope this helps.

This may be bad of me but your story makes me so angry that I went and found his store and asked him the following question:
Just curious. When I buy this, will you ship it to me broken wrapped in newspaper and magazine pages and then refuse to refund my money and threaten feedback extortion?

See, that's why I love GreekChat. This didn't even affect me directly and it made me feel good. *muah*

Oh, Centaur http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...lezoo/kiss.gif that is freaking awesome! I love my TEH Cult members - we definitely look out for each other :D


EE-BO - thank you so much for the clarification on that stuff - being that in 6 years, I have only bought 15 things, I would never have known about the 90 day rule & such. I will put a date on my calendar!

I was going to write (using abbreviations & cutting out as much as possible) - "PO Consumer Affairs said inadequate packaging & will not honor insurance; email me for photos & rude emails from seller"

I know that won't all fit, but I can get creative with abbreviations!

Thanks GC for all your posts on this - I would have been happy to let it go if he had been nice, but the way he has acted is beyond reasonable.

Everyone seems to be offering advice on getting your money back but from the picture you posted it looks like it could be fixed relatively easy. Do you know a handy guy who could reattach it for you? With a new paint job you wouldn’t even be able to tell.

My husband is pretty handy - and he works at a factory with every imaginable tool - none of them knew how to fix cast iron. He took it & made clean cuts so the lyre is now just U shaped and stops at the top without the curly )( things on top. When he brings it back, I'll repaint the tops. Better than nothing I suppose - I'm still :mad: about it though. I didn't pay $27 for something that was broken.