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Pledgetrainer 05-13-2008 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBoggzz (Post 1650653)
So you're saying if these people hid the truth, for the rest of their lives, and never told anyone they were gay, and fit perfectly with your fraternity you'd have no problem with them? But the second the issue of them being gay arises they're automatically discriminated against. I understand the whole issue of being confortable with them (actually not personaly I don't because I'm not a guy so I can't fully understand what living with a gay guy and being male is like) and I'm certain it must be difficult. However I highly doubt you and every singe one of your brothers is 100% alike in every way. There has to be some differences amongst you and your brothers whether great or not.
Until I see that sort of issue actually happen, and not just forum posts saying "we had a brother who everyone loved and then he came out and stayed exactly the same," it's not worth hypothetically discussing. No, theoretically the label shouldn't matter, but I've HONESTLY never seen a gay guy with a personality that would fit into a standard fraternity or who I would believe would even enjoy the experience. I'm sure they can find a place to belong, and I wish them well, but it wouldn't work well in a typical fraternity.

MissBoggzz 05-13-2008 01:18 PM
I agree with what you're saying plaedgetrainer but in the instance that they weren't "unusually stereotypical" and they were more like you and your brothers, despite living with them because I can only imagine how uncomfy that might get, would you have any issue with letting them in your fraternity?

CrackerBarrel 05-13-2008 01:30 PM
Another issue would be that we are a "Christian fraternity," and the morals that our fraternity professes to stand for would be considered by many (not me, but a lot of my brothers) to be counter to homosexuality.

nittanyalum 05-13-2008 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer (Post 1650646)
I know for a fact the bowsandtoes I know was not involved in the FH pack
You're incorrect. The original bandt (not the new 1000 version) was absolutely part of that mayhem, I was there during most of it and posted directly to him more than once. And I'm as over the subject as I'm sure you are now so let's just KIM...

Pledgetrainer 05-13-2008 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBoggzz (Post 1650663)
I agree with what you're saying plaedgetrainer but in the instance that they weren't "unusually stereotypical" and they were more like you and your brothers, despite living with them because I can only imagine how uncomfy that might get, would you have any issue with letting them in your fraternity?
In pure theoretical principle, there wouldn't be an issue. In practice, it would simply be down to the comfort issue and given my admittedly traditional experience of fraternity life, I would be skeptical that it would work out to everybody's satisfaction...it's hard to picture when I'm working from a purely theoretical perspective.

MissBoggzz 05-13-2008 01:41 PM
Okay that's respectable. I just feel that it's unfair that many gay people are not as accepted as straight people. I know there are several fraternities which have no problems with it. Or in certain cases it goes against the believes and practices of the fraternity. However what bothers me most is that people are so strongly against it and won't even bother giving these people a chance.

Kevin 05-13-2008 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBoggzz (Post 1650682)
Okay that's respectable. I just feel that it's unfair that many gay people are not as accepted as straight people. I know there are several fraternities which have no problems with it. Or in certain cases it goes against the believes and practices of the fraternity. However what bothers me most is that people are so strongly against it and won't even bother giving these people a chance.
I wouldn't say "whole fraternities" are okay with anything.

I imagine my organization's membership selection criteria is not the same at Dartmouth as it is at Auburn.

MissBoggzz 05-13-2008 02:22 PM
My mistake your right. If at best a chapter but even that is saying too much. there will always be at least one person who will disagree with the majority

jon1856 05-13-2008 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Pledgetrainer (Post 1650528)
I don't think a single fraternity where I'm at would let in a gay. P.S. - if you have an opinion that someone somewhere might take offense with, they'll ban you for it in a heartbeat. banned Southernfratter and bowsandtoes just for this thread, and they weren't even being offensive...this website is a farce. And no, neither of those was me.
B&T(both versions) and SF where most likely banned for many more reasons than what you know.

And as already pointed out, why the 20+ postings in a "farce"?

And IF you are a Brother of mine, please feel free to contact me over in SAE's National GC (The other one).
We then can take this conversation to a more private level.

Pledgetrainer 05-13-2008 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1650708)
B&T(both versions) and SF where most likely banned for many more reasons than what you know.

And as already pointed out, why the 20+ postings in a "farce"?

And IF you are a Brother of mine, please feel free to contact me over in SAE's National GC (The other one).
We then can take this conversation to a more private level.
I am indeed a brother of yours, and feel free to PM me. I indicated when I decided to take my presence here from posting about my amusement (not really the word i want but it'll do) about the banning of my pledge brother, to seriously contributing to the discussion.

nate2512 05-13-2008 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CountryClub (Post 1650711)
I don't understand why everyone else in this country except for the South is so accepting of this.
Because everyone else is worried about being politically correct while the South, thank God, holds on the to values we believe and doesn't give a damn about what other people think of us.

AEPi BP 05-13-2008 03:35 PM
i just want to double check that all other minorities receive the same discrimination at your chapters because otherwise you aren't truly sticking to your values.

CrackerBarrel 05-13-2008 03:41 PM
Not true, there isn't anything morally wrong with being black, hispanic, asian, etc. Most southerners are of the opinion that there is something morally wrong with being gay.

DSTCHAOS 05-13-2008 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by nate2512 (Post 1650740)
Because everyone else is worried about being politically correct while the South, thank God, holds on the to values we believe and doesn't give a damn about what other people think of us.
Sarcasm?

Pledgetrainer 05-13-2008 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1650761)
Sarcasm?
I doubt it, actually sounds admirable to me. This country's culture is going into the tank.


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