I know what it means, thanks. I just always find it suspicious when a poster with one name gets banned and a new poster with almost the exact same name signs up almost immediately.

Maybe he picked it because "SoggyBiscuit" was a little to extreme of a hazing name :D

Oh c'mon, no one wants think about that. =p And we'll be fine Kevin, I was going to be flippant here but I'm actually finding this a rather interesting personality study...the psych major side of me never turns off I guess.

Yeah, I'm not gonna explain that one.

And I'll try to keep it under control as well Kevin.

Oh the typical "you all are excellent study subjects" approach.

Way to try to be above it all. :)

I may be getting my FHers confused at this point, but wasn't SF the one making poor attempts at Holocaust humor? And I don't know what bowsandtoes the first did last night, but he was all up in that little wolf pack the other night posting unbelievably disgusting images and making sport of "outing" people with facebook pictures, etc. You boys are something when you get your pack mentality on.

Oh I admit that one, couldn't help it. I wouldn't speak if I were you, though. But it is true, that's why I started off with such serious posts as "I'm going to go see how gay we are nationally" and am still here, actually attempting to discuss something (but having to just defend myself, oh well).

HmmMmm I personally think gay guys are awesome. I seem to find that for the most part they are more loyal to their friends and by far more genuine. Not to say that any straight guy isn't, but that's a personal opinion of the many guy friends I have. Now I also know a lot of gay guys who are very dramatic and quite frankly anyoing. I don't associate myself with them. Not every gay person is the same just like not every straight person is the same. If you're going to dislike someone just for being gay (different), whether you believe it to be by choice or by genetics, then do u dislike and disapprove of every single persn who is not 100% like you? I think it's unfair that many fraternities don't even consider gay people to obtain brotherhood. Why did you join a fraternity? Or why did you want to jon one? I'll bet you 9 of every 10 gay guys will give you the same answer to that question. Thankfully where I live, people who are different are accepted just as easily as those who are the same. I know at least 3 fraternity brothers who are openly gay and whom are well respected and accepted. Needles to say all my sisters love them and their house is more popular with the girls.

Hopefully you know what you're talking about because I don't.

Assumptions make for weak arguments. I know for a fact the bowsandtoes I know was not involved in the FH pack, because we first saw this website mentioned in the report of that little escapade on FH (hope this doesn't count as advertising another website). SF I can't speak for.

Fine by me, this is getting old anyway

I joined a fraternity to be around people who had the same interests, goals and background as me. If that is exclusionary by its very nature, so be it. It's human nature to want to be around people you have something in common with, and it's not the job of my fraternity to go around making people feel more accepted.

My fraternity doesn't let people in just because they want to be one of us/hang out with us, we have to want to be around them too.

So you're saying if these people hid the truth, for the rest of their lives, and never told anyone they were gay, and fit perfectly with your fraternity you'd have no problem with them? But the second the issue of them being gay arises they're automatically discriminated against. I understand the whole issue of being confortable with them (actually not personaly I don't because I'm not a guy so I can't fully understand what living with a gay guy and being male is like) and I'm certain it must be difficult. However I highly doubt you and every singe one of your brothers is 100% alike in every way. There has to be some differences amongst you and your brothers whether great or not.

Agreed. Maybe the gay guys I know are unusually stereotypical, but from my experience they wouldn't particularly like the fraternity atmosphere either. People should have the basic right to form bonds with those they feel naturally comfortable with, and it's not good for anybody to force the issue.

There are differences, but it's a group for people who are, similar-minded, maybe? I don't know the best way to word it, but it's a group of people that I'm comfortable living with and being around for a huge percentage of my time. If there are groups of people that the house isn't comfortable spending all their time with some may call it discrimination, but I'd say that's just the nature of the beast.