It's cool. :D

And AGDee, isn't it exhausting?

I'm not sure why I bother...lol. Oh yeah, it beats writing a paper for my cryptography class.

Hehe. I note that our original "she's obviously gay" person can't defend herself either.

It's like their assumptions are being challenged and they're finding out they're baseless!

Because this is when people claim they are above the argumentative, childish, and snarky antics of the GC regulars. :)

Followed by the ~*Flounce*~

It would only be difficult for someone to view a feminine woman or a masculine man as gay if they base their views off of stereotypes. Yes, you're the only one who finds it funny to play "guess the orientation." And the fact that you think you can guess is the problem.

And finally, and I feel the need to shout here: "LESBO" IS INAPPROPRIATE.



You're making judgments about how a straight woman looks/how a gay woman looks and much of it is based on whether or not she is making herself look in a certain way. That is at the least, heterosexist, and probably sexist.


Homosexual is disfavored outside of clinical usage. Gay or LESBIAN is the appropriate term, queer can be acceptable if the individual self-identifies that way, but I'd recommend against using it while telling people you expect them not to live their lifestyle.

You seem to be incapable of grasping the following concept: When people say she looks gay, it is 99 times out of 100 implied that gay = bad/abnormal/weird. Imagine if "gay" were replaced with your race or religion with the same implications. "Stop dressing like that, are you trying to look X"

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Do they "look gay?" Are they? Can your magic gaydar tell?

You have no idea what Kagan's mannerisms ARE because you have NEVER MET HER.

Sexism is more nuanced than "get back into the kitchen."



the only thing "gay" about a "gay lifestyle" is the "loving/engaging in sexual acts with someone of the same sex." Everything else is "a lifestyle." So, you believe that people who are gay can choose to be celibate, not "choose not to live a gay lifestyle." I don't think that should be forced or expected of anyone who doesn't freely choose it.



Priests are allowed to date and have relationships? Celibacy is being and remaining unmarried as well as typically encompassing avoiding sex, that involves not engaging in relationships. So you not only think people should deprive themselves of their sexual satisfaction, but that they should also deprive themselves of their emotional fulfillment and attachment and security that comes with having a partner. All to satisfy your sense of morality? Yeah I'm sure they'll get right on that.

I love how you picked two of the more famous none stereotypical gay celebrities.

Very off topic, but some are.

Shh it was on purpose. We'll see if she pays attention. That and I really don't pay attention to the sexual orientation of actors, unlike certain Newsweek writers. So half laziness, half on purpose. ;)


And yes, but it falls under chastity not celibacy. And many priests don't take celibacy oaths, but chastity oaths which are more practically celibacy anyway even though they didn't used to be.

I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible for the sake of her actually getting it. Because I really hope she can get it.

I think it all comes down to what does her 'looking gay' have anything to do with her work performance. What she does on her own time should have no bearing on what she does on the government's time. Now if somebody here offering to do a make over, knock it out.

I don't believe that I.A.S.K. didn't know that "lesbo" is considered a slur and the context of her post could be perceived as bigoted and offensive. I believe she was being expressive and thought she was humorous to the point where nothing else mattered.

People go on these rants and try to save face when called out. As I said in the beginning of the thread, get out of the house more and you will learn some things. Then you will KNOW if and when you are being offensive to groups, versus claiming apathy and cluelessness. If you still choose to go on a rant, that's fine if you insist, just don't attempt to explain it away after-the-fact.

Well IIRC Latin Rite Roman Catholic priests, as well as a couple of Eastern Catholic churches in communion with Rome do require oaths of celibacy.

Yeah I was just thinking about it and i had it backwards. Most priests take vows of celibacy unless they're ordained through an order and then it's typically the poverty/chastity/obedience trifecta.

Thats what I get for being up late. Regardless, my original comment was simplistic intentionally.

I agree neither her looks nor her sexual orientation affect her ability and qualifications. However I object to the concept of "looking gay" in the first place.


I cannot tell what is ignorance and what isn't, considering she kept using the term after her initial 'lol' post.

And accepting being told that you ARE being offensive instead of saying "oh no YOU have a problem since you're seeing it as offensive." It's ok to learn that way too as long as you are trying.

Or unless they're Episcopal or Orthodox priests. ;)