Incorporated?

[kappagirl00]

I have a question that's been bouncing around in my head for a while. All (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) of the NPHC orgs have "Inc." after their names. None of the NPC groups do (again, I think). I'm not sure about the IFC groups. Anyway, is there some historical reason why some groups have the "Inc." after their name and some do not? I am asking this question assuming that it's not a secret, and if it is I apologize in advance. I was just curious

[The Researcher]

Don't you know everything is a secret with the NPHC orgs!!!!

Forgive her MN :')

[cash78mere]

Hi-

This question was asked a long time ago. Do a search on it or scroll through the old topics and you will find it. People left some very pleasant and informative answers.

Hope that helps.

[12dn94dst]

here's the link to that thread: http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/...ML/000474.html

[12dn94dst]

Originally posted by The Researcher:
Don't you know everything is a secret with the NPHC orgs!!!!

Forgive her MN :')

There is a difference between this question and the questions you have asked. Kappagirl made an observation and asked a GENERAL question about all 9 organizations. It is a question that can be asked of ANY incorporated entity. You, on the other hand, made observations, asked questions of your friends who are members, was not satisfied with the answers you received (because you felt they did not know, otherwise they would have told you ) and asked questions about things that are none of your business unless you hold membership. You want to know the REAL reason why Kappas carry canes? Become a Kappa. You want to know the meaning behind the Sigma Gamma Rho's handsign? Become a Sigma Gamma Rho. If you want the "real deal" about what happened at Howard during the 1912-13 school year, become an AKA or Delta. I mean goodness, can 93, 92, 89, 88, 87, 86, 80, 77 and 37 year old people have their secrets?? Do you go around telling perfect strangers EVERYTHING about you just because someone asked? I do not think so. I am positive there are things that only your family knows. The organizations of the NPHC are families and A family. I am not saying you cannot ask. What I am saying is do not pout or get upset or sarcastic when we say we cannot tell you.

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Kelli
Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.
12-Delta Nu-94
MAL, Southern Region
Savannah State University c/o 1997

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[BlueReign]

I am having a good time laughing at your response, my Delta Sister.

It's funny how the other post turned into an AKA/Delta debate and not once did an a AKA or a Delta say anything negative. This is the cat fight the outsiders wanted.

So whatever happened in 1913 why would it matter to you, unless you are a part of it?

I have respect and love for all Greeks and unless you are a mature person and become Greek yourself will you stop the hating and asking stupid questions.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by kappagirl00:
I have a question that's been bouncing around in my head for a while. All (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) of the NPHC orgs have "Inc." after their names. None of the NPC groups do (again, I think). I'm not sure about the IFC groups. Anyway, is there some historical reason why some groups have the "Inc." after their name and some do not? I am asking this question assuming that it's not a secret, and if it is I apologize in advance. I was just curious

For the record, Kappagirl, the NIC and NPC orgs are in all likelihood incorporated entities, meaning that they are registered 501(c)3 tax exempt organizations. Therefore, legally and officially they are incorporated and their full official names probably end in "Inc." The only difference is that they do not proclaim the "Inc." title everytime they announce their name. You don't hear "Lambda Chi Alpha Fraternity, Inc." or "Pi Beta Phi Sorority, Inc." umpteen times even though they can and have every right to do so.

My theory is that the Black (and Latino/a) GLOs add "Inc." at the end as an expression of originality and to, for lack of a better word, "protect" their name from illicit parties usage. Since legally they are already protected from such, addressing the organization with the "Inc." at the end, in nonformal discussion and conversation is IMHO rather trivial and has a hint of arrogance attached. I am sure NIC and NPC orgs share similar feelings as mine. Now I do know that many Black professional organizations have also followed suit with the "inc" thing and my opinion is intact to that regard.

Hope that helps.

Da Rain Man

[12dn94dst]

When refering to the organization in conversation, formal or not, we use "Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Incorporated" because that is how our organization wishes to be commonly known. I would imagine the other NPHC organizations have the same stipulation. It is no different than addressing a person how s/he wishes to be addressed. Would you call a person who does not allow you to address her/him by a shortened version her/his name arrogant as well, or would you respect their wish because it is her/his name and not yours?

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[Rain Man]

Originally posted by 12dn94dst:
When refering to the organization in conversation, formal or not, we use "Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Incorporated" because that is how our organization wishes to be commonly known. I would imagine the other NPHC organizations have the same stipulation. It is no different than addressing a person how s/he wishes to be addressed. Would you call a person who does not allow you to address her/him by a shortened version her/his name arrogant as well, or would you respect their wish because it is her/his name and not yours?

[This message has been edited by 12dn94dst (edited October 30, 2000).]

I will respect your wish and right to add the "Inc." to your name. However, that still begs the question, "What's the point?"

Rain Man

[12dn94dst]

The point is, we strived long and hard to gain incorporation and, as you said in your own post, we are well within our rights to use "Inc." after our name.

Tell you what Rain Man, why don't you write a letter to:

Gwendolyn Boyd, National President
Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.
1707-09 New Hampshire Ave, NW
Washington, D.C. 20009

and ask since my answer was not sufficient. Do you question business corporations as to why they call themselves as they do? If you do, you have entirely too much time on your hands.

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[ZetaAce]

12dn94dst- That was a good answer

Isn't it interesting that our headquarters is right down the street from yours. When me and my friend were neos (she's a Delta), we went to see our respective headquarters and were so excited! Aww, that was the good ole days.

ZetaAce

PS>Sorry about the tangent, lol!

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by 12dn94dst:
The point is, we strived long and hard to gain incorporation and, as you said in your own post, we are well within our rights to use "Inc." after our name.

Tell you what Rain Man, why don't you write a letter to:

Gwendolyn Boyd, National President
Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.
1707-09 New Hampshire Ave, NW
Washington, D.C. 20009

and ask since my answer was not sufficient. Do you question business corporations as to why they call themselves as they do? If you do, you have entirely too much time on your hands.

[This message has been edited by 12dn94dst (edited October 31, 2000).]

I won't even dignify that last question with an answer. I will say however that all too often when speaking with a NPHC member in casual conversation the "inc" is mentioned in a very arrogant tone, thus drawing my conclusion of "what's the point?" To further add insult to injury these same cocky individuals have had the audacity to say that Alpha Phi Omega (my frat) in not a real fraternity because it is not incorporated. If that means we don't use the inc every single time we say our name, then I guess we ain't real. BTW, we have been an incorporated entity since 1929 and have been reincorporated with the state of Missouri since Jan 29, 1968 based on our bylaws.
Again, to answer Kappagirl, NPC and NIC orgs do not use "inc" every single time the org is mentioned because in all likelihood it is probably seen as a superfluous addition to the name and unless official recogninition demands, not necessary.

End of story.

Rain Man

[Corbin Dallas]

Sounds to me like when you call a Dr. Mr. They get all pissy. They earned the title. If it's that big of a deal to them, so be it.

"I didn't spend 8 years in evil medical school to be called Mr." or something like that

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

[AlphaChiGirl]

Isn't it true that not all NPHC groups are incorporated in every state? I've heard something to this effect.

For NIC and NPC groups, the aspect of incorporation (I think) is implied...most of these groups have been around for (at least) 100 years, and it's assumed that they're incorporated. For a group that's only been around for 80 or so years, maybe it's more important to denote that you're incorporated.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by AlphaChiGirl:
Isn't it true that not all NPHC groups are incorporated in every state? I've heard something to this effect.

Perhaps we need a lawyer with corporate law experience to comment on this "Inc." issue.
I've read all the posts and I still don't quite understand why the "Inc." is there. There must some sort of tax advantage or financial implications to being incorporated. Still, the NPHC sororities are "Their Name Sorority Inc.", whereas the NPC sororities are usually just "Their Name Sorority or Fraternity". Why don't the NPC sororities have this? Is there some sort of different financial implications?