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Old 05-11-2002, 12:53 AM
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Letter to my National, tell me what you think?

Good Evening Brothers:

During Townsend University's recolonization a pledge (new colony member) died from spinal meningitis. There was much mention of this on the former listserv. Since that listserv is now dead, I am unable to look up his name. I apologize for that lack.

At the time I asked a DGM whether that person would be initiated posthumously with the chapter. He said NO. When it came time for their charter to be granted, I asked a DGM involved with Installation whether the poor man would be initiated, and he said NO also.

If he has been initiated please disregard this message and accept my apologies for wasting your time. If not please consider the following:

Simple human decency requires that we initiate this man. This is beyond any consideration of “Brotherhood,” I am talking about just living up to those qualities that we universally believe exemplifies a “good” human being. If there is no current mechanism to do this, we need to invent one.

I am a chapter founder (primary and original organizer) and I can say without hesitation that I would not have accepted membership in Kappa Sigma or any organization if they chose to deny membership to the least of my men, even if I hated him as an individual, that died in such a tragic manner while seeking entry into the Order. I would have immediately looked for another fraternity that would not have a callous disregard towards a youthful death.

This is the way I was taught to view the world both in terms of fairness and my responsibility as a leader of people that trust me. I make no criticism of the Leaders and Brothers at Townsend.

If this person has not been initiated yet, it reflects poorly on ALL of us as human beings. And we need to immediately rectify this. If the National Officers are worried about the cost, I will happily pay the dead man’s initiation fees myself. And I wager I could find volunteers to do the initiation.

We could do it in a very meaningful way at the leadership conference this summer. We could send a nice letter of respect from the fraternity, to his family, with a Framed certificate of initiation. Again, I would be glad to cover the costs.

I believe his parents would be touched. And I have no special knowledge as to what we experience after death, but if there is a part of us that survives and cares, I believe that part of him would be touched also, and perhaps those Kappa Sigs that have gone before us would welcome him.

I am interested in any feedback that leads to an immediate plan of action to get this man initiated, but I am proposing that we do it at the leadership academy that has Townsend in it this summer.
Brothers, the Universe is an unfair and uncaring place. That is why it is important for us do what we can to diminish that unfairness. This presents us with an easy step in that direction. I challenge all of US to do the right thing. Thank you for your time.

Semper,

James
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Old 05-11-2002, 01:06 AM
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that was lovely, send it.

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Old 05-11-2002, 01:25 AM
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sounds good to me, but where is townsend university? do you mean towson in maryland?
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Old 05-11-2002, 01:26 AM
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I think he should be initiated. So maybe he could not go through the ceremony because he has died, but he no doubt worked just as hard as the other members to become a member. I think it would be a very thoughtful and decent thing to do. We give things like Oscars and Medals of Honor posthumously (sp?), why not initiate this man? What harm will it really do?
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Old 05-11-2002, 02:44 AM
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I agree he should be initiated ! Please keep us updated on any response you receive
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Old 05-11-2002, 03:39 AM
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James -

Great response. I agree wholeheartedly, and if you would like support or a follow-up, IM me.

AEKDB to you, and to the departed - hopefully we can do the right thing here for this young man.

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Old 05-11-2002, 08:46 AM
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Thumbs up excellent idea

there is no question about what is the right thing...
good job
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Old 05-11-2002, 09:04 AM
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Good job James. He should be initiated. I hope your nationals will feel the same.
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Old 05-11-2002, 01:21 PM
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Excellent job, James. Dumb question, though. How would they initiate posthumously? Could they do it as a graveside service? Or in the chapter house, perhaps with his father or his brother (if he has any) taking the vows on his behalf? I'm not sure how this could be handled, but it is an interesting situation.

At the very least, I think that your Fraternity's Memorial Service should be performed at your Leadership Academy in honor of your brother.

Please do let us know what happens.
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Old 05-11-2002, 01:55 PM
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James,

I concur with your feelings on this. Greeklawgirl brings up some good questions, but nothing that couldn't be overcome.
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Old 05-11-2002, 03:30 PM
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James - I think you know what I think. Wonderful letter.

A posthumous initiation could easily be done with his big (or if they didn't have them since they were a colony, the colony prez or someone else he was exceptionally close to) standing in his place.

Plus his family, I'm sure would appreciate it immensely. Any time you lose a loved one, people often are so uncomfortable that they just avoid mentioning them which makes it hurt even more. Anything you do to recognize the person who's gone is the right thing to do.
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Old 05-11-2002, 04:40 PM
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James, that is a very wonderful and true thought about an nearly Inititiated young man who had the thought of your great organization in his heart and mind.

It seems sometimes that the National Headquarters have blinders on themselves.

I for one would vote strongly yes! There has to be some sort of exception in a case such as this! Life is gray, not all black and white!

You do a GOOD THING by doing this! You are a very thoughtful Brother to You Fraternity!

Interfraternally Your Brother,
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Old 05-11-2002, 05:13 PM
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Good Luck James, I think to initiate him would be the right thing to do! Keep us posted!
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Old 05-11-2002, 07:00 PM
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Great letter James. Good luck to you on your quest. should your national offciers say no, thats not necessarily the end of it. You can make a motion from the floor at your national convention. If your orginization is like mine, the undergrads have the final say on everything. they even have to OK the decisions of the national officers in a motion at the beginning of the assembly. You KNOW your brothers would support the measure. So you could go that route.

Best of luck to you...
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Old 05-11-2002, 09:04 PM
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Very good letter, James! Keep us posted
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