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Old 08-08-2001, 01:02 PM
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I feel that for me I need to have some stability in my life on my own without leaning on a man so i guess that i am choosing the career over the man( it's funny that you post this because I'm going through something similiar) because if he up and leave were does that leave me? I don't see nothing wrong with having both but if the man is not on your same track , you have to let him go.
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Old 08-08-2001, 07:42 PM
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You have to be happy and content with who you are and where you are in life before you try to partner up with someone. With this in mind, if you really want a career then I think you should pursue that first and then concentrate on making a match. Because if you're not happy with where you are in life before you get with him, how are you ever going to be? I don't think one has to be sacrificed for the other...a healthy medium can be reached.

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Old 08-09-2001, 12:15 AM
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Question Should Love be 2nd to Your Career?

In today's day and age, we(women) often pick career over love, choosing to work long hours vs. taking care of the man, woman or children at home for career advancement, or choosing to stay in one city as opposed to moving to another for career opportunities, or choosing not to love for fear of an obstruction of a career path. Is it bitterness of past hurt that is the problem or is it that our careers are just more important than love nowadays?

How do you feel about this?

Have you read this article? What are your thoughts? Time to Lose The Attitude, Gain a Partner


Time to Lose The Attitude, Gain a Partner
Donna Britt

08/03/2001
The Washington Post
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So you`re an attractive single woman with a reasonably fulfilling life, and Friday night is fast approaching. Your plan is to hang out with your girlfriends, or to spend the evening alone, each of which is cool if that`s what you really want to do.

Perhaps you`d rather be going out -- or staying in -- with a man. Amend that to a loving man, a fun man, a committed man who`s worthy of you. But the fact is:

A) All men are dogs, and you can`t be bothered.

B) Your last boyfriend put such a hurt on you, you`ll bite the head off the next man who says, "Hi."

C) Most men in Washington -- or Baltimore or wherever -- are broke, underemployed or
behind the wheel of some raggedy vehicle you wouldn`t wear last year`s Manolo Blahnik
sandals in.

If you answered A, B or C, you have an attitude problem. And Audrey Chapman, the talk radio therapist and author of the new book "Seven Attitude Adjustments for Finding a Loving Man," can help.

There are some good reasons why many women have attitudes -- especially if they`re
black, suggests Chapman, a licensed family therapist.

Women are more likelyto be depressed than men because they`re less likely to feel in
control of their lives and more apt to dwell on their problems, according to the American
Psychological Association.

Still, black women`s blues "ain`t like everyone else`s," Chapman writes. According to the National Mental Health Association, African American women are 50 percent more likely to be depressed than women in any other group. That isn`t surprising when you consider that black women are also more likely to face poverty, sexual and/or physical abuse, discrimination, loss of employment, crime and the loss of a loved one.

"African American women feel like they`re the most unappreciated, unnoticed, unsupported group," says Chapman, who will broadcast tomorrow`s live 8 a.m. show on WHUR (96.3 FM) from Howard University`s Blackburn Center. Her guest: novelist E. Lynn Harris, who`s made a fortune writing about blacks` tortured unions.

African Americans have never been better off, says Chapman, but their relationships have never been worse.

"We have more of our members in the middle class than ever before, yet black men and
women are the most unpartnered group in America. I`m not talking about the underclass . . . but men and women with middle-income jobs . . . churchgoing professionals.

"They have it all -- except they don`t have partners."

What many do have is bitterness. Bad attitudes "don`t just happen," Chapman says. "They develop after years of repeated romantic disappointments. . . . Those seeking to protect themselves from all that hurt hone their defenses."

She has identified seven common defense attitudes, including A, B and C above --
cynicism, rage and materialism. The others:

Control. The "Where were you last night?" syndrome.

Desperation. Remember the "Dreamgirls" song where the woman tells her departing
lover, "There`s no way I`m living without you"? Great song, bad plan.

Mothering. The drive to nurture, sparked by the need to be nurtured.

Shame. The old "Without a man, I`m nothing" routine.

Although such postures are self-defeating, they`re still "many women`s way of protecting
themselves. . . . Ultimately, they make men only want to `hit it and quit it,` " Chapman says
bluntly.

Speaking of bluntness, she also says black women are "most loyal to those who are
unloyal to them": black men. White, Asian and Latina women understand the pluses of
dating across ethnic lines; black women reject the notion while berating black men who embrace it, she says.

She describes women`s unconscious patterns, including dating good-looking but empty
"star boys," non-committers, and guys unsure about their sexuality. Not good.

But Chapman insists that her book isn`t just about helping women find men.

"Walking around with this stuff is bad for your overall physical and mental health. No way it doesn`t take a toll."

Once a woman has determined that she may have a tiny attitude problem -- Chapman's book has questionnaires and case studies to prod the denial-prone into the realization -- the next step is taking responsibility.

"You can't go through life being aggressive and angry because your life isn't coming together -- no one's obligated to show up and offer you what you want," she says.

Anger breeds more anger, hurt more hurt. The only way to break the cycle is to approach life with compassion, says Chapman, "approaching people where they are as opposed to where you'd have them be." Besides, being single means having time to fall in love with yourself -- "and not be so defensive."

Chapman realizes how tough that sounds. "We have so much investment in being in control," she sighs.

Plus dismantling years of hurt and bitterness requires thoughtfulness and serious consideration. Chapman sighs again.

"People put more energy and time into focusing on their careers, their cars, their wardrobes than on what fuels the emotional status of their lives," she says. Then they distract themselves with work, TV -- and complaining.

"We'd rather be entertained than learn."

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Old 08-11-2001, 11:06 AM
Finer Woman10-A-91 Finer Woman10-A-91 is offline
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Ah, a close hitting topic. As much as I love the idea of being in love...it just takes up WAAAAAAAY tooooo much of my time. its major emotion work for this TRUE to the core piscean. Argh. I am certainly working from a place right now in my career where the love thang is taking back seat. Luckily, my suitors understand and respect that reality. I think women have a more difficult time balancing the 2. I'm no stranger to the love bug...and I ain't running from it either. But the reality of my situation is, unless the man in question is in the position to further my creative/community service missions or entreprenuerial advances, I am not checking for him.

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Old 08-13-2001, 10:24 AM
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Right now it seems like EVERYTHING is second to my career.

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Old 08-15-2001, 02:35 PM
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As a woman who has been accused of choosing my career over love, I refuse to feel guilty for my decision. My mother raised me to stand on my own two feet and not to depend on a man. I'm not bitter from a past relationship. I am just realistic. My family, (meaning my mother, father, & etc.) are the second priority in my life (the first priority being God of course). I love my family to death and would give them the shirt off my back if I think they need it more. I have a good man, but he knows that since he has not made a promise before God (meaning marriage) to put me before all others in his life, he can't expect me to put my career on the back burner for him. I think most men want a woman who isn't looking for a provider. And it is because of my independence that he respects me. And you can't have love without respect.
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Old 08-23-2001, 09:58 AM
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Man...I am loving the new boards...
I started this thread, but it seems like the dates are out of order or something. But anyways, to answer my question.

Love has taken a backburner to my career. Sometimes I think that maybe it should not, but I want to live my life without regrets on my career decisions. Carpe Diem! Love, if it's meant to be will be right there waiting, when I am ready to receive it.
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