Poor ole Jeb

The1calledTKE · #1 09-10-2002, 09:04 PM

Jeb Bush's daugheter was caught with crack while in drug rehab and on probabtion.

librasoul22 · #2 09-10-2002, 09:16 PM

See things like this piss me off. This was NOT her first time being caught with drugs. If you go to the CNN link for the article you will see at least 3 other stories about her and DUI and also being caught with various other drugs. She has NOT been reprimanded, other than to be placed in rehabilitation. We see how well THAT is working out, because she brings cocaine to the freaking rehab place!

You have to KNOW that people are arrested in drug stings in Tallahassee every DAY, sent to jail THAT NIGHT. Noelle? Oh, back to rehab for you, honey.

I cannot stand the Bushes! One of them is trying to get us all blown up, the other one can't keep his daughter off the blow.

pbpck · #3 09-11-2002, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by librasoul22

I cannot stand the Bushes! One of them is trying to get us all blown up

*biting my conservative tongue*

moe.ron · #4 09-11-2002, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by librasoul22
I cannot stand the Bushes! One of them is trying to get us all blown up, the other one can't keep his daughter off the blow.

LOL

librasoul22 · #5 09-11-2002, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by pbpck

*biting my conservative tongue*

Why? We haven't had a good debate on GC in what? A week? Let it go!!

The1calledTKE · #6 09-11-2002, 10:26 AM

It might be one sided a lot of anti Bush people on here.

FuzzieAlum · #7 09-11-2002, 11:32 AM

I'm not exactly the biggest Bush myself, but poor girl! A drug addiction is a hard thing for anyone to deal with, let alone with media scrutiny, and the expectations her family surely must have for her. That kind of pressure can be overwhelming.

The1calledTKE · #8 09-11-2002, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by FuzzieAlum
I'm not exactly the biggest Bush myself

You mean Bush Fan? lol

moe.ron · #9 09-11-2002, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by zntke711
It might be one sided a lot of anti Bush people on here.

I like Bush the band.

dekeguy · #10 09-11-2002, 01:36 PM

Yeah, I did notice a lot of anti-Bush people chiming in to several threads taking a lot of cheap shots. So much for interfraternal courtesy to a fellow Greek.

Anyway you cut it we, the United States of America, were deliberately attacked in a cowardly fashion by an organized group who have declared a "holy war" on us. OK, so be it. Now is the time to support our President and Commander-in-Chief as he prosecutes this war in defense of our nation and people. You don't have to like him and you don't have to agree with him, but you do need to be "the loyal opposition" at least. Its easy to criticize but its a lot harder to be the guy who has to call the shots. We are at war and I support our President and I think his brother Jeb is pretty cool as well. He has some tough family problems to deal with but they are a private matter for the Governor and his family. I would expect that gentlemen do not intrude on each others private lives.

librasoul22 · #11 09-11-2002, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by dekeguy
Yeah, I did notice a lot of anti-Bush people chiming in to several threads taking a lot of cheap shots. So much for interfraternal courtesy to a fellow Greek.

Anyway you cut it we, the United States of America, were deliberately attacked in a cowardly fashion by an organized group who have declared a "holy war" on us. OK, so be it. Now is the time to support our President and Commander-in-Chief as he prosecutes this war in defense of our nation and people. You don't have to like him and you don't have to agree with him, but you do need to be "the loyal opposition" at least. Its easy to criticize but its a lot harder to be the guy who has to call the shots. We are at war and I support our President and I think his brother Jeb is pretty cool as well. He has some tough family problems to deal with but they are a private matter for the Governor and his family. I would expect that gentlemen do not intrude on each others private lives.

Um....

What state do YOU live in?

You think Jeb is "pretty cool"? Riiiiiiight.

No, I do not HAVE to be anyone's "loyal opposition". Does that even make sense? It is an oxymoron, unless you mean to be loyal in my opposition. In that case, I qualify big time, because I do not like OR support either Bush, never have, never will unless something drastic changes about them. And I am loyal to that.

Yes, drug addiction is tough, and I do sympathize with that aspect of this situation. But if any of you could see Noelle on the local news with her smirk and smug attitude about the whole thing, you might feel as pissed as me. Also the fact that she gets such preferential treatment. I see people picked up for the same thing everyday. Straight to jail, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

Besides, didn't Jeb watch Traffic?? Geez, lol.

FuzzieAlum · #12 09-11-2002, 01:54 PM

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You mean Bush Fan? lol

Heh, well, I'm a big bush either, but yeah ...

dekeguy · #13 09-11-2002, 03:00 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by librasoul22
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Um....

What state do YOU live in?

You think Jeb is "pretty cool"? Riiiiiiight.

No, I do not HAVE to be anyone's "loyal opposition". Does that even make sense? It is an oxymoron, unless you mean to be loyal in my opposition. In that case, I qualify big time, because I do not like OR support either Bush, never have, never will unless something drastic changes about them. And I am loyal to that.

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1. I live in Virginia.
2. Yes, I met Governor Bush on several occasions and was very positively impressed by him. He seems to me to be thoughtful in approach to serious matters, fun loving in approach to non-serious matters, unfailingly polite, widely informed and very well read, able to weigh alternatives and make decisions, a man of firm convictions, and very much a gentleman.
3. I do not know his daughter so I cannot comment based on any first hand information. If I had any information I would consider it personal, for, in my view, the incidental condition of daughterhood does not make one a "public figure". I leave that sort of media hype to "yellow journalists" who have never been confused with gentlemen.
4. "Loyal Opposition" is a British phrase which refers to the party or parties not currently in power and therefore "in opposition", but presumed to be unswerving in allegience to one's lawful sovereign or government, while at the same time being perfectly free to disagree with that government and propose alternative approaches. Former Representative Lindy Boggs (D-LA), in a speech given during one of her re-election campaigns, used the phrase but modified it for American useage by substituting "unswerving allegience to one's country".
The phrase is fairly common in usage and, I believe, generally understoot to be defined in this country according to Mrs. Boggs' interpretation. So, I suppose one can be a supporter of the current administration, a member of the loyal opposition, or a traitor.

Cluey · #14 09-11-2002, 03:29 PM

Every family has skeletons in their collective closets. Even the best of parents cannot control everything with which their children gets involved. At some point, you have to let them grow up and make their own decisions and, unfortunately, sometimes they make destructive choices. I think Jeb and Columba are dealing with that right now. With so much emphasis placed on Nicole's drug problems, I think George Prescott Bush gets overshawdowed. He's out there doing good things - going to law school, trying to make a difference, being an advocate for Hispanic Americans. As a country, I think we tend to pay more attention to the negative and not reward the positives that are out there.

Yes, I live in Florida. Yes, I am a registered Republican. Yes, because we live in this wonderful democracy, we are allowed to have dissenting opinions. I just like to remind people that the Bushs are no different than any other family. You know there are people in your family that, if you were placed under the microscope, you wouldn't want to admit you were related to.

Just my opinion, but you know what they say about those...

KappaKittyCat · #15 09-11-2002, 03:56 PM

George Stephanopolous wrote that the British have the perfect balance figured out. They have the Royal Family, on which the media feeds, and this allows Parliament to actually get governing done with minimal interference. That way, governance is not so much related to the personal lives of those who govern. In Britain, the Royal Family is all over the tabloids every day, and nobody really notices what the wives and children of the Ministers of Parliament do, or what the MPs themselves do, for that matter. Nor does anyone care. The MPs' job is to govern. That is it. The United States tries to squish it all together. We make the occupants of 1700 Pennsylvania Avenue its Royal Family, but we also expect them, and Congress, for that matter, to govern well while being paragons of excellence and moral uprightness.

Historically, the most successful Presidents (meaning those who have achieved the largest portion of their stated goals and/or led the country through turmoil, war, depression, etc.), the smartest Presidents, and the most morally upstanding Presidents have been entirely different men. There are very few who occupy spaces on two of those lists, and none who occupy all three.

Yes, Thomas Jefferson screwed around. So did JFK. But in Jefferson's time, nobody but the slaves he screwed, his wife (maybe), and the man himself knew what was going on after hours at Monticello. It wasn't polite to talk about those things, so even if a journalist got wind of this information, he'd most likely ignore it. In JFK's time, people still allowed their Presidents the freedom to be people on the side, as long as they got the job done. Only now is it coming out that Jefferson sired countless mulatto children and that Marilyn Monroe did a lot more with JFK than just sing "Happy Birthday."

But now our media thirst goes beyond how a man does his job and delves into how he lives his life. In this age of sensationalized "reality" TV, I fear that we as a society won't stop until we know how often the First Couple have sex and which positions they prefer. We as a nation need to decide what we want out of our leaders, because no one can be all things to all people. A President is a role model. If the so-called leader of the free world can get away with cheating on his wife, using cocaine, trading arms for hostages, or lying under oath about any of the above, then what are we supposed to tell our children?