You'll make me sick

[haynestammy]

Some of you need to re-evaluate why you joined a Greek Organization. Especially if you are African American. I can not stand how you, especiall you chicks, bring your sororities down. I guess you are the ones that just wear the Greed gear but never show up to any of the community service functions unless it involves a DG, drinks and chips and dips. YOu ladies are pathetic. THen you have the nerve to talk about other sororities. They must be doint something right considering they've been around for almost a hundred years starting with Alpha Phi Alphi Fraternity, incorporated which was founded in 1906.
You dimwits seem to forget a very important thing about organizations, maybe you need some history lessons.
Freedom was hard won by Africans Americans. We were lynched, raped, beat, betrayed etc... The KKK poisoned the minds of thousands. We were lynched in military uniforms fighting for the country we were brought into. Later we were forced into ghettos, segregated through pay dividends where only a few managed to escape and still do today. Our ancesters created suppoort networks becuase of this consisting of banks, churches, schools, universities, colleges, and the list goes on. OUt of all of this grief, stife, pain, self-discrimination, saness, self-hate, self-destruction, African American Greek Letter organizations joined the support chain. They are here to do good, not to tear down the foundation of why they arose. You need to get it together people and think about what comes out of your mouth and from your fingers as you talk about other organizations.

Originally posted by haynestammy:
Some of you need to re-evaluate why you joined a Greek Organization. Especially if you are African American. I can not stand how you, especiall you chicks, bring your sororities down. I guess you are the ones that just wear the Greed gear but never show up to any of the community service functions unless it involves a DG, drinks and chips and dips. YOu ladies are pathetic. THen you have the nerve to talk about other sororities. They must be doint something right considering they've been around for almost a hundred years starting with Alpha Phi Alphi Fraternity, incorporated which was founded in 1906.
You dimwits seem to forget a very important thing about organizations, maybe you need some history lessons.
Freedom was hard won by Africans Americans. We were lynched, raped, beat, betrayed etc... The KKK poisoned the minds of thousands. We were lynched in military uniforms fighting for the country we were brought into. Later we were forced into ghettos, segregated through pay dividends where only a few managed to escape and still do today. Our ancesters created suppoort networks becuase of this consisting of banks, churches, schools, universities, colleges, and the list goes on. OUt of all of this grief, stife, pain, self-discrimination, saness, self-hate, self-destruction, African American Greek Letter organizations joined the support chain. They are here to do good, not to tear down the foundation of why they arose. You need to get it together people and think about what comes out of your mouth and from your fingers as you talk about other organizations.

i AM having a difficult time trying to dicipher who exactly you are upset with, and why. What do you mean by bringing down our sororities? Who are you accusing of not going to a community service projects? Are you in a sorority yourself? No one is perfect, and all organizations talk about one another. There is nothing wrong with healthy competition. You seem to be very disgruntled and I wonder why.

I agree with the Soror of Zeta Phi Beta. What exactly are you talking about?

[mgdzkm433]

I am white, and I consider myself to be a good judge of character. From what I have seen and read, and how people have responded on this site, I would say the members of BGLO's are some of the most awesome people out there! I have seen nothing but pride and respect from the members of BGLO's. Before I came to this site, I never even knew there was such a thing as a BGLO, but when I had read the posts and did a little research--I found that BGLO members have a love for their orginization that is uncomparable. They are proud and dedicated. SO--Whoever you are, if you have somthing negitive to say-don't say it here. You will find nobody who will back you up. Also, show a little respect for people you don't know--be tactful--be civilized. The only thing you have proved with your statement is ignorance on you part.

Mikki
Delta Zeta Alum
Kappa Mu Chapter
Sigma Alpha Iota Alum
Eta Tau Chapter

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"I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."

--Julia Roberts
(Steel Magnolias)

[SilverTurtle]

Mikki-
you said:

I have seen nothing but pride and respect from the members of BGLO's. Before I came to this site, I never even knew there was such a thing as a BGLO, but when I had read the posts and did a little research--I found that BGLO members have a love for their orginization that is uncomparable. They are proud and dedicated.

I think that's an interesting, and very accurate, observation. Once when I was living with a couple of my sisters (one white + 1 mixed) we met a guy who was an Alpha. We had a couple interesting discussions on why BGLO's generally had so much more pride + devotion than "white" GLO's, and how to bring that pride into our GLO. (not a BGLO, so I guess you'd consider it "white" even though it's pretty diverse).

So---> What does everyone think about that?

Oh- I also have no idea what haynestammy was trying to say?

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[This message has been edited by SilverTurtle (edited March 31, 2000).]

[Beef]

Well I will try to say this with out stepping on any toes.. and if I do, it was unintentional so LIGHTEN UP!

"Blacks" as a whole seem more united then "whites". That just seems to be the way our society is. How many of you that are white, actually notice the fact that you are white?? Most minorities cant help but notice that they are what ever their particular race is and they tend to use that as a bond between them.

I would be willing to be that most whites dont know too much about their ancestry, and the fact that we a re just looked at as "whites" kind of throws everyone with pale skin into one group and disassociates us from our backgrounds.




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Beef
Tau Kappa Epsilon
Theta Tau

[Tigger]

I'm having a hard time with this race thing. Just because your skin is light or dark does not mean you are the same. It's not about race....it's about culture!

Culture is really the only thing that sets everyone apart. Culture shapes the way you think and act, maybe the majority of the members of BGLO's came from the same cultural background and find it easier to unite and uphold their beliefs. It's a lot harder to unite and uphold beliefs when everyone has different views and backgrounds (culture again).

My sorority seems to find alot of conflict within itself, yes it has different skin colors, but the differences are in everyone's culture. I think that's the problem we have uniting and having a lot of pride. It seems sometimes to be about conforming and not understanding. I think I questioned too many things (not necessarily opposed to it, just for a rationalization of their actions), getting shot down all the time instead of answering my question has led me to be disillusioned with the group. I still love my sisters, but I don't feel that same level of unity anymore.

I applaude ANY GLO that has so much unified pride, but chances are it's because you all have similar views on how it should be run and you agree with most of the history of actions. Is this making any sense or did I just go off on 10 different tangents? Sorry, I haven't had my morning shot of caffiene yet!

Don't get me wrong, I still have pride in the sorority and the history of what it stands for, I just don't feel united with the current members. Just some things to think about. I'm not looking for a fight, just showing where my lessened feelings of unity come from.

[mgdzkm433]

Tigger,

You make a good point that culture can be a problem. I'm not saying I disagree, but for the sake of argument, this is the other side. This is the Great Melting Pot, many of us are from the same culture today, whether you are black, white, hipanic, or another race. Historically, our cultures might be different, but today they are the same. We attend the same schools, churches, restraunts, activities, stores, etc. That is where most cultural differences lie. Education, lifestyle, religion. Those are the three biggies. I just wanted to throw that side in, not that I believe it 100%, but like I said, for the sake of argument. . .

I do see what you are saying though, that history has come full circle within your sorority. The practices and traditions of many sororities/fraternities are about 100 years old, this can cause quite a stir, especially for traditionally white sororities who initiate black members. I would bet that the founders of traditionally white sororities/fraternities were racist. They probably had no intentions of every initiating a black member, but then again, they probably never even considered that black people would have rights either. A lot has happened in the last 100 years and today we are working to learn, gain, and used those changes to further our ideals and our society.

If the members of your sorority have a hard time with those traditions and with how the sorority should be run, why are they members? I'm not trying to be mean, but why wouldn't you want to join a sorority that has the ideals, traditions, aims, and so forth that you are in tune with? I know why. Those member felt a draw towards the sorority. They felt that they could relate to something or someone. They loved what the sorority stands for. Those are all important things. You should draw from that energy and that love to create the bonds that you desire. The rest of the stuff, the no so desirable stuff, can be left for meetings. It has to be discussed sometime, so discuss it like adults in a meeting and don't let it ruin the friendships and bonds that you have outside of the business part of the sorority. That's just my little tid bit. I hope that this helps.

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Mikki Gates
Delta Zeta Alum
Kappa Mu Chapter
Sigma Alpha Iota Alum
Eta Tau Chapter

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--Julia Roberts
(Steel Magnolias)

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[Tigger]

Just to answer your question on why someone would join a sorority that they do not agree with all the policies and beliefs of the organization....well, I believed in the ideals that the sorority was built on, but along the way things have changed. I am no longer a member, because of a heavy class load (felt I was not giving enough time to my sisters to call myself an active member, it was out of respect.) in the beginning and I have not reactivated because I don't agree with the way the sorority is headed. Too many rules our being bent for some and not others for one thing. I just don't believe it holds the same standards and beliefs that it was meant to. I still love my sisters, don't get me wrong, but I can't be an active member of something that I don't support whole-heartedly. To me it's not breaking my oath, it's respecting the founding ideals enough not to support the course it's on now.

Let me try to rectify what I wrote in anger and let me anwer a few of your questions. Yes, I am in a sorority and yes I am disappointed at times at how sisters under the Panhellenic council treat each other at times. I don't know how it is at your school, but here, at mine...sisters have serious problems, some of them, with ladies in a different sorority.
Those of you whom have replied in anger at what I posted must have totally miscontrued what I wrote. What I meant, to clear up any misunderstanding, is that there have been some serious, disrespectful things done in the name of certain sororities against other sororities. Many join organizations just to wear the letters but really don't have the intentions of doing what the organization strives to accomplish. Enhancement of the the community for one. If you dispute this then you are just a liar...
And as for the white girl, stating that she was white and whatever...I don't care about that and whatever you read into what I said is totally off the mark. I don't care if you are white, black, red, yellow, the only point I made is that African American organizations stem from a long chain of support networks which helped African Americans cope with the racism that was going on in that time. You are the one that made it into a racist thing. When I wrote this I was replying to someone, it was a while back, I forgot who. Someone who said something about all organizations were stupid, etc... and I was replying to someone who downed Delta Sigma Theta...They were extremely caustic and rude.... Am I a Delta...no...I'm a Zeta...

So are you a Delta or a Zeta? You lost me again.

[haynestammy]

I'm a Zeta...
Of the blue and white.
I just get offended at times when people put down other organizations because all BGLO's have been around for such a long time that they deserve their respect. I'm sure their founders didn't want their sorors to besmirch other ladies of different organizations. If it is humor, fine, but when it starts to get downright dirty and nasty like those pictures of the AKA and of the Delta's that have been flying across the web then I start to feel offended because if you think about it we are all sorors or frat under the panhell and in the community.

-Myztical-

Apparently, haynestammy has serious issues. We cannot help her to solve these issues because a) she is incoherent and b) she is not seeking a solution. She wants to babble on about how some people only want to wear letters and some people are nasty to each other.

Whatever! There will always be "takers" and "back stabbers" in this world. That's how you can distinguish them from the "givers" and "supporters". She needs to suck it up and move on because that's life. Throwing a fit because they exist will only result in unhappiness. She should ignore them and we should stop enabling her in her self-destruction.

[haynestammy]

Self Destruction, me, never...I"m just trippin' off of some of the people at my school...might as well vent here than out in the street. LOL

[Senusret I]

Our Greek Chat was so primitive. Yet, so familiar.

I read the oldest threads from time to time and like to bump them for comparison.