Schools that (should) open for expansion

[Cookiez17]

This is actually a followup to an irishpipes thread from a while back
https://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=195512

If you were to pick a school that should open for expansion, who would you pick? Here's my list (I will note that schools that have opened recently, added a chapter within the last 4 years, or plan to open are not included.)

Colgate University (quote 60, last colony Tri Delta 1996)
University of Utah (quota 109, total 262, last colony Aphi 2012)
Georgia Southern University (quota 77, total 262, last colony Chi O 2016)

Also if there are potential hurdles to a school opening like needing a house and there not being land available, that can also be discussed in here.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by Cookiez17

Georgia Southern University (quota 77, total 262, last colony Chi O 2016)

Also if there are potential hurdles to a school opening like needing a house and there not being land available, that can also be discussed in here.

A GSU sorority would have to find land to build a house and might struggle because they wouldn't be on Greek Row anyway. Also, they would have to put up with being the newest, therefore having to rush all the time. It's rough being the newest chapter on a Southern campus.

[Cheerio]

All this summer, media have explored and explained the Enrollment Cliff colleges will soon experience. Any upcoming expansions will need to include those thoughs.

[navane]

Originally Posted by carnation

A GSU sorority would have to find land to build a house and might struggle because they wouldn't be on Greek Row anyway. Also, they would have to put up with being the newest, therefore having to rush all the time. It's rough being the newest chapter on a Southern campus.

I struggle to understand why some campus cultures are so brutal. It's a part of human nature to get caught up in a survival of the fittest mindset and a desire to be seen as the top. But man......some campus locations just eviscerate newer or smaller chapters.

About 7 years back at SDSU, we were dying over the gigantic pledge classes. At one point, our Gamma Phi Beta chapter was so huge that we had to purchase extra folding tables and chairs to set up in the *living room* just to make enough seats for all of the members for Monday night formal dinner. The girls were overwhelmed and we had members up to the rafters. We needed a new chapter on campus and we were relieved when one finally came on (DZ). We were GLAD to have that new chapter on campus!

[jolene]

The Chi O chapter is thriving at Southern, though. I personal know some parents of Chi O's active and alum from that chapter.

[carnation]

Well, let's just say they're not up there where they were before they folded. You have 4 entrenched chapters--ADPi, Phi Mu. KD, and Zeta.

[shadokat]

There are spots there for someone who wants to join at Kappa. They're less than half the size of the other chapters.

And, as a DPhiE, trust me, this campus is HELL to establish on.

Originally Posted by carnation

Well, let's just say they're not up there where they were before they folded. You have 4 entrenched chapters--ADPi, Phi Mu. KD, and Zeta.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by shadokat

There are spots there for someone who wants to join at Kappa. They're less than half the size of the other chapters.

And, as a DPhiE, trust me, this campus is HELL to establish on.

Wait, isn't recruitment a two-way decision process? I'm not a Kappa, but you don't know if Kappa may have chosen to formally recruit a smaller class due to PNMs not meeting Kappa standards.

I understand your not appreciating the GSU greek life culture due to the eventual failure of DPhiE's GSU chapter establishment. But chapter failures at that same level for similar reasons have occurred at NPC chapters elsewhere in the U.S, too.

[mlanderson]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Wait, isn't recruitment a two-way decision process? I'm not a Kappa, but you don't know if Kappa may have chosen to formally recruit a smaller class due to PNMs not meeting Kappa standards.

I understand your not appreciating the GSU greek life culture due to the eventual failure of DPhiE's GSU chapter establishment. But chapter failures at that same level for similar reasons have occurred at NPC chapters elsewhere in the U.S, too.

"Greek Life culture"? You mean racism. People like to cover up GSU and its very apparent problem with racism. Getting called n*ggers and n*gger lovers = eventual failure. If you say it's a sore spot, that's the understatement of the century.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by mlanderson

"Greek Life culture"? You mean racism. People like to cover up GSU and its very apparent problem with racism. Getting called n*ggers and n*gger lovers = eventual failure. If you say it's a sore spot, that's the understatement of the century.

Thank you for outing the problem in GSU's Sorority Greek Life for those of us unaware.


While I am sorry DPhiE apparently experienced racism causing the closure of their GSU chapter, in my previous post I meant reasons for closure of a newer chapter that do NOT have to do with racism.



Lack Of Resources for any new NPC chapter anywhere can be reasons for a new chapter's closure.

There can be a lack of finances.

Some new chapters experience a lack of local alum personnel to properly assist the chapter.


A national exec board may have miscalculated their chances of new chapter success at a particular campus before agreeing to colonize. Not every NPC group has the money and personnel to open new chapters on every dream campus they wish to pursue.

It's possible a lack of help from a university itself occurs when said university suddenly pulls its promise to help the new chapter by refusing to provide promised university land, or other resources, for a new chapter's sorority house.



Importantly, not every PNM is open-minded enough to pursue The New NPC Group on campus, for whatever reason (other than race) they have in so doing.

And it is a shame some students will provide bad media to a newer NPC chapter.

[mlanderson]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Thank you for outing the problem in GSU's Sorority Greek Life for those of us unaware.


While I am sorry DPhiE apparently experienced racism causing the closure of their GSU chapter, in my previous post I meant reasons for closure of a newer chapter that do NOT have to do with racism.



Lack Of Resources for any new NPC chapter anywhere can be reasons for a new chapter's closure.

There can be a lack of finances.

Some new chapters experience a lack of local alum personnel to properly assist the chapter.


A national exec board may have miscalculated their chances of new chapter success at a particular campus before agreeing to colonize. Not every NPC group has the money and personnel to open new chapters on every dream campus they wish to pursue.

It's possible a lack of help from a university itself occurs when said university suddenly pulls its promise to help the new chapter by refusing to provide promised university land, or other resources, for a new chapter's sorority house.



Importantly, not every PNM is open-minded enough to pursue The New NPC Group on campus, for whatever reason (other than race) they have in so doing.

And it is a shame some students will provide bad media to a newer NPC chapter.

This wasn't an attack on all schools, just GSU in particular. Our women had to stand so strong for years of abuse.

I agree with all the other issues.

[carnation]

Cheerio, I wouldn't say that Southern has a problem with Greek racism. I know this campus well. Six of my kids graduated from Southern and 4 were Greek. All their chapters had a fair amount of non-whites (this includes 2 of my own children).

You said: "Importantly, not every PNM is open-minded enough to pursue The New NPC Group on campus, for whatever reason (other than race) they have in so doing."

*This is it right here. I don't know a single national group that hasn't been affected by this, not just on Southern campuses but also at other Big Greek Schools because they're the newest chapter... considered by many to be the one who just takes who they can get. Many PNMs/rushees don't want to be in these groups because people run them down and they don't want other kids--INCLUDING independents--laughing at them.*

[Titchou]

Amen and amen, Carnation.

[Cheerio]

The University of Kentucky.

I'd add University of Kansas, but that may be impossible.

Throwing in LOL the University of Colorado.

[AZ-AlphaXi]

University of Arizona should open, but again housing is the elephant in the room