GreekChat.com Forums
Celebrating 25 Years of GreekChat!

Go Back   GreekChat.com Forums > Recruitment > Sorority Recruitment
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Sorority Recruitment Recruitment event and bid day ideas, membership retention, publicity, recruitment policies, etc.

» GC Stats
Members: 326,163
Threads: 115,593
Posts: 2,200,711
Welcome to our newest member, MysteryMuse
» Online Users: 1,976
3 members and 1,973 guests
willTic
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-01-2014, 04:37 PM
AGDCanada11 AGDCanada11 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Canada
Posts: 146
19th edition of the Green Book

Here is the new 2014 edition of the Manual of Information!
__________________
"Our sisterhood is not a destination, but a journey."

ΑΓΔ
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-01-2014, 04:38 PM
Titchou Titchou is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 4,594
Thank you!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-02-2015, 08:11 PM
Griffins&Quills Griffins&Quills is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,265
I don't remember if we had an RFM thread stickied somewhere, so, I figured here would be appropriate for the question.

Is there a reason why total is adjusted within 72 hours of bid day? Wouldn't it make more sense to adjust total after graduation each semester to account for girls who graduated and girls who pledged but dropped?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-03-2015, 11:01 AM
DaffyKD DaffyKD is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: When you find me, please let me know
Posts: 1,023
Someone did not proof read . The description of the KD new member badge is mashed together with the description of the AZD badge.

DaffyKD
__________________
KD
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-03-2015, 11:19 AM
LouAnn LouAnn is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 6
I think the reason for waiting 72 hours after bid day is to account for the fact that that incoming pledge classes maybe dramatically smaller or larger than the graduating class. If you reset total after graduation, your total would be an average or median of chapter size with only had 3 full pledge classes, which would put most chapters over total after recruitment (especially with the larger pledge classes we are seeing). The idea is to try to have the chapters participate in more recruiting year round and allow as many women as possible to opportunity to go greek.

The 72 hours may allow for the chapters to account for those immediate drops/no shows on bid day or right after if they have them (gives them until their first pledge ceremony, if they have one).

https://www.npcwomen.org/resources/p...%20Total-1.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-03-2015, 06:18 PM
Griffins&Quills Griffins&Quills is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,265
Interesting. That makes sense but it seems like it's an inflated version of total. I could be wrong, but to me, adjusting at the end of each semester seems like it would give a more accurate picture of total.

It's great to give more women the opportunity to join but at certain campuses, where non-primary recruitment still has a stigma, I feel like it ends up hurting chapters. Because total is falsely inflated it ends up forcing groups to recruit who don't really need to because the average chapter size is in reality, slightly lower than it was when total was determined. And then it can also make it seem like a campus is ready for expansion when they're actually not.

I'm not sure I'm explaining my thought process well, but I guess what I'm getting at is that total isn't accounting for retention.

Why bother having total or formal recruitment at all, if the goal is to have chapters recruiting year-round? Because total is adjusted too early, you're creating a false environment, basically forcing chapters to COB. Why not just do away with formal recruitment and move entirely to COB, or remove the total "ceiling" and allow groups to pledge as many as they want, within a +/- percentage of average chapter size?

Maybe total should be total range, instead of quota range.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-03-2015, 07:22 PM
33girl 33girl is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hotel Oceanview
Posts: 34,502
It's not just falsely inflated - if TUV makes quota plus due to RFM and guaranteed bids for those who maximize their options, BUT half those women don't show up at bid day, that will get reflected in the averages too. That way TUV 's actual total is showing.
__________________
It is all 33girl's fault. ~DrPhil
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-03-2015, 07:26 PM
Griffins&Quills Griffins&Quills is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,265
I don't understand. If you're saying they don't show up to bid day, that should be reflected when adjusting total because of the 72 hour thing, right?

I'm talking about later in the semester, like, girls who drop right before initiation
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-04-2015, 11:57 AM
LouAnn LouAnn is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 6
I understand what you're saying, and do agree that it creates a long cumbersome process of constantly COB-ing if you are a chapter that is right on the line. You are at total and then one person resigns or transfers or leaves the chapter in any way, then you are under. I've witnessed it at chapters and it can be slightly stressful for the people in charge of membership and recruitment, as well as those responsible for the new member programs.

Perhaps some of it is to change stigma of informal recruitment, so that there aren't only one or two chapters that are typically recruiting that way, but depending on the campus, that could take some time.

Some campuses can do a two tiered reset, specifically those doing deferred recruitment and even some that do the regular, traditional fall formal are talking resetting again after the fall semester to account for those numbers. Some campuses have elected to use a formula for their total reset to be average or median less x% to account for a little attrition or graduation, but that is on a campus by campus basis.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-04-2015, 12:36 PM
DeltaBetaBaby DeltaBetaBaby is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: ILL-INI
Posts: 7,207
Send a message via AIM to DeltaBetaBaby
If the total readjustments create openings, you can quickly fill them on the sly and nobody is the wiser.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-04-2015, 04:43 PM
Griffins&Quills Griffins&Quills is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,265
I was curious because it just seems like total is not totally accurate and I feel like while the goal is to take away the stigma of informal recruitment, I don't think it does.

When you have a campus that has always pretty much only done formal, and half or less of the groups do informal, and that half consists of the weaker recruiting chapters and maybe a middle or strong recruiting chapter, I don't see any amount of time changing that stigma.

I could be wrong but it just makes more sense to me to see a two-tiered reset or a total range like quota range.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-05-2015, 11:05 PM
AGDee AGDee is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Michigan
Posts: 15,597
I thought the goal was to force them to raise Total because they have been so hesitant to do so. There were campuses where Total was 55 but average chapter size was close to 70. Nobody would raise Total because they were afraid that one bad year would make them NOT get to Total.

As with anything, there are pros and cons. Pros- chapters who end up below average chapter size can pick up a few women quickly and include them with the rest of that class right away. Possible con- chapters could tell PNMs that they want them but won't be able to pick them up during formal but will have space as soon as Total is raised so they should drop out of recruitment and get a COR bid later.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-07-2015, 02:20 PM
QueenD QueenD is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 90
I think AGDee hit the nail on the head. I was recruitment adviser during a period when it was high time to raise total, but the majority of sororities on campus resisted it, in large part because they hadn't done COB in years and would have been at risk to need to COB in the spring semester. When the new rules about resetting total 72 hours after bid day came about, we had a chapter that raised hell and fought it. Thank goodness it's now much more established as the rule.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-07-2015, 03:07 PM
Titchou Titchou is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 4,594
You have a range of options on where to set total. So each campus should be able to find one -with the help of their area adviser - that suits their particular campus.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-01-2016, 02:09 AM
hannah2 hannah2 is offline
GreekChat Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 8
Total is set within 72 hours of the primary recruitment to allow for chapters to adjust their numbers for PNM no-shows and quick drops. It is also set early to assist in bringing about parity within the panhellenic system. This allows chapters who are eligible to COB to do so during the semester. Total should be set at median chapter size unless their bylaws state average or largest chapter size. Total should now be re-calculated each semester, again to assist in bringing about parity.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Npc Green Book New New New AGDLynn Recruitment 42 04-22-2011 08:59 PM
green book ? FSUZeta Recruitment 9 02-22-2006 04:58 PM
2nd Edition song book on Ebay DGMarie Delta Gamma 0 04-06-2005 06:35 PM
The Green Book Munchkin03 Recruitment 14 12-21-2002 04:38 PM
The Green Book 33girl Greek Life 11 10-29-2001 12:32 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.