Greek Splinters Groups?

KyleMcGuire1983 · #1 05-05-2007, 03:12 AM

Anybody know of any "splinter" groups and their stories?

I only know of two involving Sigma Nu

1) Sigma Nu Chi at SUNY-Geneso happened in the late 90s

2) The Nu Society at Vanderbuilt- Rebel faction after Vanderbuilt shut down Sigma Nu over a bonfire they had.

anybody have any other stories or examples? I find it facinating and part of me feels a little bit angry about the whole thing.

Blessed2bDST · #2 05-05-2007, 03:40 AM

Not sure if this is an apples to apples example but my father is a member of Kappa Alpha Psi. Many years ago, some members were unhappy with the direction of the main alumnae chapter and started their own club for men who had been members of the fraternity for 25 years or longer.

They pay dues to their club, have guest speakers and social events sponsored by their club and do not interact much with the other chapters in the area. They are very proud members of the organization, they just choose not to affiliate with any of the local chapters.

L.O.C.K. · #3 05-05-2007, 04:17 AM

APEs.

Used to be AEPi but got kicked off in the early 1990's and lost their charter. Exist as essentially a glorified drinking club on campus.

Ironically, according to my brother who is AEPi from Emory, they have APEs their too.

SkiingSister · #4 05-05-2007, 11:35 AM

In the 70's I think it was, the members of Phi Kappa Tau chapter at California State University at Chico got fed up with their national, got rid of them and founded their own fraternity, Tau Gamma Theta.

Phi Kappa Tau must have recolonized and they are on campus.

Tau Gamma Theta has a house but are not recognized by IFC. I don't even think that have badges. They WERE known for their heavy drinking and hazing.

DSTCHAOS · #5 05-05-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Blessed2bDST

Not sure if this is an apples to apples example but my father is a member of Kappa Alpha Psi. Many years ago, some members were unhappy with the direction of the main alumnae chapter and started their own club for men who had been members of the fraternity for 25 years or longer.

They pay dues to their club, have guest speakers and social events sponsored by their club and do not interact much with the other chapters in the area. They are very proud members of the organization, they just choose not to affiliate with any of the local chapters.

That's lame.

JWithers · #6 05-05-2007, 11:48 AM

Isn't Phi Mu an offshoot of ADPi? Did I read that in here somewhere?

ladygreek · #7 05-05-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Blessed2bDST

Not sure if this is an apples to apples example but my father is a member of Kappa Alpha Psi. Many years ago, some members were unhappy with the direction of the main alumnae chapter and started their own club for men who had been members of the fraternity for 25 years or longer.

They pay dues to their club, have guest speakers and social events sponsored by their club and do not interact much with the other chapters in the area. They are very proud members of the organization, they just choose not to affiliate with any of the local chapters.

Um, why didn't that just charter a new chapter? This makes no sense.

ladygreek · #8 05-05-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

That's lame.

I should have read ahead - LOL.

Senusret I · #9 05-05-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Um, why didn't that just charter a new chapter? This makes no sense.

Maybe they tried.

In my area, there was a group of men trying to establish the FOURTH alumni chapter of their org in my city. They were denied.... I actually don't know what their plans are, but it has left the chapter they defected from with very low numbers (all things considered).

ladygreek · #10 05-05-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

Maybe they tried.

In my area, there was a group of men trying to establish the FOURTH alumni chapter of their org in my city. They were denied.... I actually don't know what their plans are, but it has left the chapter they defected from with very low numbers (all things considered).

Did those men go off and form a "group" to which they pay dues?

If those Kappas tried and were denied, it still makes no sense to pay dues to a "group" but not to the org. Change happens within. I mean they can't use the name of Kappa in what they do, so what good is that?

They could have stayed in the org., still formed their clique, but worked to make changes within.

I know that in Delta you have to have a certain number of currently financial sorors to charter an additional chapter, and it increases with each additional chapter in that area. You also must show proof of being able to sustain the chapters. Maybe that is why that org. was denied a new chapter.

I am not opposed to chartering new chapters in a given area. I consider it as an expansion not a splintering. Maybe they should have approached it that way.

Senusret I · #11 05-05-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Did those men go off and form a "group" to which they pay dues?

I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but I don't think so.

AlphaFrog · #12 05-05-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JWithers

Isn't Phi Mu an offshoot of ADPi? Did I read that in here somewhere?

NO.

They were both founded at the same university, and had the same professor help them with their "Greek", but one did not come from the other.

DSTCHAOS · #13 05-05-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Did those men go off and form a "group" to which they pay dues?

If those Kappas tried and were denied, it still makes no sense to pay dues to a "group" but not to the org. Change happens within. I mean they can't use the name of Kappa in what they do, so what good is that?

They could have stayed in the org., still formed their clique, but worked to make changes within.

I know that in Delta you have to have a certain number of currently financial sorors to charter an additional chapter, and it increases with each additional chapter in that area. You also must show proof of being able to sustain the chapters. Maybe that is why that org. was denied a new chapter.

I am not opposed to chartering new chapters in a given area. I consider it as an expansion not a splintering. Maybe they should have approached it that way.

Yeah and it isn't uncommon to find 3 or so alumnae chapters within 20-30 minutes of each other.

I don't know Kappa's rules for chartering chapters. But splintering and paying dues for a club is silly. If you can't get a new chapter chartered, be active and try to impact the existing chapter. If you must be a member of a chapter. Then run along with your pals and do separate outtings, play cards and drink together after meetings, and do smaller service events that don't have a chapter attached to it. That's what quite a few folks do. Don't need separate dues to have cliques.

ms_gwyn · #14 05-05-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JWithers

Isn't Phi Mu an offshoot of ADPi? Did I read that in here somewhere?

NO

ADPi was founded in 1851
Phi Mu was founded in 1852

at the same school and a founder of ADPi and a founder of Phi Mu were roommates

No off-shoot or splinter group of any kind

Blessed2bDST · #15 05-05-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Um, why didn't that just charter a new chapter? This makes no sense.

I guess it's hard to explain in full in this forum. I think you'd have to live here to see how it operates. It's really not considered "lame" at all and a lot of the more "prominent" members of the organization who live here are part of it. I should have explained as well that they are all financial with grand chapter as members-at-large and they pay dues to this group to support their own activites.