Saddam's trial a joke

IowaStatePhiPsi · #1 07-02-2004, 11:57 AM

Even though Iraq is "sovereign" again, Saddam is held by American soldiers, transported by American soldiers, is being tried in a court with the law books written by American administrators, and has been denied access to a lawyer. Now wtf is that. Even Milosevic got a lawyer.
He commited most of his crimes against the Iraqi people so I think it is only fitting that the Iraqi people get to try him to get justice.
Hussein seems like he's being more rational now than ever before.
Not that that means a whole lot, but he's right when he says that his trial is a joke, or 'theatre'.

I am Saddam Hussein, the President of Iraq

TheEpitome1920 · #2 07-02-2004, 12:00 PM

I heard that the U.S. is also paying for this trial...75 million or something in that area.

Rudey · #3 07-02-2004, 12:06 PM

Every time you post I feel like I am watching Forrest Gump.

-Rudey
--Except without all the random things like meeting the president

TheEpitome1920 · #4 07-02-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Every time you post I feel like I am watching Forrest Gump.

-Rudey
--Except without all the random things like meeting the president

Who are you reffering to?

Kevin · #5 07-02-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Even though Iraq is "sovereign" again, Saddam is held by American soldiers, transported by American soldiers, is being tried in a court with the law books written by American administrators, and has been denied access to a lawyer. Now wtf is that. Even Milosevic got a lawyer.

Would you seriously put Saddam in their physical custody given the current security issues? What you say is all very nice and everything, but really... I'm really glad you're not in charge of anything over there. Saddam does have a lawyer. He's an American. What you saw was not a trial. It was a hearing. The Iraqi justice system is not the American justice system. While I'm not expert, I'll bet it's fairly safe to assume that attornies are not required to be at hearings. The trial won't be until next year, and I'm sure Saddam will be adequately represented.

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He commited most of his crimes against the Iraqi people so I think it is only fitting that the Iraqi people get to try him to get justice.
Hussein seems like he's being more rational now than ever before.
Not that that means a whole lot, but he's right when he says that his trial is a joke, or 'theatre'.

Well, considering the evidence against him, yes, even having the trial is a formality. It's as if I walked up to someone and stabbed them to death while on videotape and in front of many eyewitnesses. As for these crimes, he's guilty as hell. If you're the president of a country that fills mass graves with the civilians you've murdered, then, yes, I think there's a decent case against you.

He will be found guilty because he is guilty.

Rudey · #6 07-02-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Who are you reffering to?

IowaStatePhiPsi - the farm kid from Iowa with such grandiose hopes and dreams.

-Rudey

TheEpitome1920 · #7 07-02-2004, 12:17 PM

I heard he has a team of lawyers or at least people lined up to work on his defense. I didn't know an American is working with him. I'm sure he'll have his citizenship revoked.

IowaStatePhiPsi · #8 07-02-2004, 12:22 PM

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I heard he has a team of lawyers or at least people lined up to work on his defense. I didn't know an American is working with him. I'm sure he'll have his citizenship revoked.

If the American was appointed to assist then he won't. And even if he wasn't appointed- what is wrong with a lawyer working for a client?

TheEpitome1920 · #9 07-02-2004, 12:23 PM

Didn't say anything was wrong with it. I just don't think there would be too many people here happy about it.

krazy · #10 07-02-2004, 01:44 PM

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Hussein seems like he's being more rational now than ever before

Are you f**cking kidding me?

Get your head out of your A$$ MAN.

PhiPsiRuss · #11 07-02-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
If the American was appointed to assist then he won't. And even if he wasn't appointed- what is wrong with a lawyer working for a client?

Iraq has a 3,000 year old tradition of justice. Just because the judicial procedings don't resemble an American trial, it doesn't mean that it isn't a fair trial.

He has an entire team of lawyers that was hired by his family. They will attempt to try this in the court of public opinion, so I would not rely on what they say as the "truth."

moe.ron · #12 07-02-2004, 02:36 PM

Easy on the personal attack.

James · #13 07-02-2004, 03:34 PM

I think its a little more like we watched what you did for years and then passed a law that made everything you did ilegal. So yeah he will be found guilty.

He is guilty because he lost.

I think it would be better to just shoot him. I hate sham trials and mockeries like this.

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Well, considering the evidence against him, yes, even having the trial is a formality. It's as if I walked up to someone and stabbed them to death while on videotape and in front of many eyewitnesses. As for these crimes, he's guilty as hell. If you're the president of a country that fills mass graves with the civilians you've murdered, then, yes, I think there's a decent case against you.

He will be found guilty because he is guilty.

Kevin · #14 07-02-2004, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by James
I think its a little more like we watched what you did for years and then passed a law that made everything you did ilegal. So yeah he will be found guilty.

He is guilty because he lost.

I think it would be better to just shoot him. I hate sham trials and mockeries like this.

So you're suggesting that gassing your own people should be legal under any system?

I'm pretty certain that murder is illegal (and was illegal when it happened) in Iraq.

James · #15 07-02-2004, 03:46 PM

Well it depends. I think you are thinking moral versus legal.

He had absolute power so what he did was legal. As far as Iraq as a nation-state is concerned.

I am not saying he is not a bad guy. I am just saying we should just quietly execute him versus creating a sham trial.

But I would have done that at Nuremburgh also, just shot them all and spared us the bad drama.

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So you're suggesting that gassing your own people should be legal under any system?

I'm pretty certain that murder is illegal (and was illegal when it happened) in Iraq.