U. of Georgia: Porn on Their Minds?

exlurker · #1 09-08-2006, 04:10 PM

In other threads GCers have discussed the high test scores and GPAs needed to get into the University of Georgia. Evidently, however, the academic requirements don't keep some fraternity pledges from acting incredibly stupid, as the student paper, the Red and Black reports:

http://www.redandblack.com/vnews/dis.../4500d509da111

It's too soon to tell what the university's student judicial process will decide about this.

shinerbock · #2 09-08-2006, 07:34 PM

haha, i think its funny

f8nacn · #3 09-08-2006, 07:51 PM

stupid i say...just stupid...

exlurker · #4 09-09-2006, 01:33 PM

Update: UGA Suspends Chi Phi Chapter
The Associated Press reports that the U. of Georgia has suspended the Chi Phi chapter "indefinitely," until an investigation is completed. See

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/15479179.htm

EE-BO · #5 09-09-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jessXIca

well they were obviously forced to do that as hazing, i mean, that's clear as a bell.

Oh really? For a new member of a GLO you certainly seem to be quite an expert (your indicated change in username in your signature indicates, if I am not mistaken, that you have just pledged AXiD.)

When I was a pledge, groups of us often got together and did random crazy stuff without being told to do it. Groups of friends who are not Greek get together and do stupid stuff all the time. Granted, I never participated in anything like this incident- but we were not always doing things that we would want Mom to know about.

And on occasion, pledges- especially new ones- will let a borderline brother or two tell them to do something dumb without the chapter's officers and pledge trainers knowing about it. Often these activities fall well outside the scope of what a chapter's membership and officers find personally acceptable.

Chi Phi was pretty big when I was at UGA (and had a solid reputation in all senses), so I am not ready to believe the actions of what must be a fraction of the brand new pledge class are indicative of attitudes endorsed by the entire chapter.

These 7 guys did something incredibly inappropriate in a public place and so they have invited and earned all the scrutiny that is to come. The idea itself is kind of funny, but white men using photos of African-American women is where a dumb idea became an unacceptable incident worthy of severe action by the University.

But let's see where it all started before we go blaming an entire chapter and hanging the actions of a very few on the heads of many.

Senusret I · #6 09-10-2006, 06:39 PM

Why is it newsworthy that the nude women were black?

kathykd2005 · #7 09-10-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

Why is it newsworthy that the nude women were black?

I wondered the same thing when I read it.

#8 09-10-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EE-BO

Oh really? For a new member of a GLO you certainly seem to be quite an expert (your indicated change in username in your signature indicates, if I am not mistaken, that you have just pledged AXiD.)

Oh give me a friggin' break.

One does not have to be in a GLO do know what is and isn't hazing.

The fact that she's a new member does not and should not indicate how much she really knows about the subject.

DeltAlum · #9 09-10-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

Why is it newsworthy that the nude women were black?

A post by Sistermadly in the Greek Life forum says that the fraternity is being investigated under the university's anti-discrimination policy, so that would probably explain it.

Otherwise, your point is correct.

DeltAlum · #10 09-10-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

A post by Sistermadly in the Greek Life forum says that the fraternity is being investigated under the university's anti-discrimination policy, so that would probably explain it.

Otherwise, your point is correct.

Sorry. I was incorrect in my comments about Sistermadly's post. The alleged suspects are being investigated under a Harrassment policy -- not discrimination.

I would simply have deleted the above, but wanted to correct my error for anyone who might have read my earlier post.

macallan25 · #11 09-10-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW

Oh give me a friggin' break.

One does not have to be in a GLO do know what is and isn't hazing.

The fact that she's a new member does not and should not indicate how much she really knows about the subject.

How do you know that these pledges were asked or told to do this at all? I don't think it says anywhere that members were involved......rather that there was an investigation. You can't just scream "Hazing" on this story......thats ridiculous.

#12 09-10-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

How do you know that these pledges were asked or told to do this at all? I don't think it says anywhere that members were involved......rather that there was an investigation. You can't just scream "Hazing" on this story......thats ridiculous.

I didn't scream "hazing" on this story.

My comment was directed to EE-BO's assumption that jessXIca didn't know what she was talking about because she's a new member.

macallan25 · #13 09-10-2006, 08:14 PM

Yeah I know.......I was just saying that in general....the "you" wasn't directed at you specifically.

#14 09-10-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Yeah I know.......I was just saying that in general....the "you" wasn't directed at you specifically.

Thanks for clarifying!

EE-BO · #15 09-10-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW

I didn't scream "hazing" on this story.

My comment was directed to EE-BO's assumption that jessXIca didn't know what she was talking about because she's a new member.

I made the comment I did because I felt like she jumped to a rash conclusion and made an assumption that many non-Greeks make who are not fond of the Greek Community. In other words- she seems to have assumed that since some pledges did something dumb, they must have been ordered to do it by the fraternity.

I did not mean to be rude to her, and I apologize if I was- but I don't like the idea of rushing to judgment about this.

We Greeks have enough trouble dealing with people who want to get rid of us. So I do not like seeing anyone within the community jump to conclusions prematurely at the expense of a fellow GLO.

As for the issue of why it was newsworthy that the nude women were African-American, it is a detail that would inflame and upset a lot of people reading about the incident.

But at the same time, it is fair to question whether or not part of the "shock" the guys were going for was to be white guys showing off nude photos of black women.

Whether they intended any racial overtones or not, a reasonable person would have known that this would be assumed by anyone who ever read about the incident.

Then again, we are not talking about reasonable people here.

Most of all this just really sucks since Chi Phi was a good house when I was at Georgia (and still is to my knowledge.) We all do dumb stuff, but this kind of activity crosses a very clear line. Greeks at Georgia are generally well respected, and this kind of thing hurts that very much.

Having spent most of my college time at Texas where Greeks are NOT highly regarded by non-Greeks or many University staff, I am witness to the great value to Greek organizations to be a valued part of a campus.

This kind of thing really tears that down. Whether Chi Phi ordered this behavior or not- the fact the pledges were associated with the group has created some really bad PR for Greeks in general.

And so it is important to find out who really ordered this, or if it was just a dumb idea that some pledges came up with on their own. Time will tell the outcome, but in the meantime I will keep an open mind.