Another campus shooting...

thetalady · #1 10-09-2015, 11:27 AM

Shooting at Northern Arizona University

Shooting was outside of the residence hall that houses many fraternities & sororities. I saw another article stating that Delta Chi members were involved. The 18 yr old shooter is in custody. Sounds like this was a fight between groups of students.

AOII Angel · #2 10-09-2015, 01:38 PM

My NAU AOII alum friends said it was a fight between two fraternities. Not surprised Delta Chi is involved as their house was shot up a couple years ago. http://coed.com/2015/10/09/delta-chi...iversity-info/

amillionlights · #3 10-09-2015, 02:24 PM

There was a shooting at Texas Southern University in Houston, TX today as well. I'm not sure of any other details though.

IndianaSigKap · #4 10-09-2015, 02:34 PM

This is becoming disturbingly all too common.

PKT4LIFE · #5 10-09-2015, 06:56 PM

Does anyone know what other fraternity was involved in this horrible incident?

thetalady · #6 10-09-2015, 07:45 PM

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Does anyone know what other fraternity was involved in this horrible incident?

Sounds like the shooter was a Sigma Chi pledge

More information on shooting

thetalady · #7 10-09-2015, 07:50 PM

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There was a shooting at Texas Southern University in Houston, TX today as well. I'm not sure of any other details though.

This was the THIRD shooting at Texas Southern this WEEK. Sounds like there are a LOT of problems with people on campus that are not necessarily students.

amillionlights · #8 10-09-2015, 09:58 PM

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This was the THIRD shooting at Texas Southern this WEEK. Sounds like there are a LOT of problems with people on campus that are not necessarily students.

Yes - after more information came out, it doesn't look to be associated with TSU at all. I think the media here just ran with it, associated it with TSU to get more clicks. It's a shame. I apologize for posting before the whole story came out!

Everyone from Northern Arizona University is in my thoughts and prayers.

PaddyMaxwell · #9 12-09-2015, 02:01 AM

Given that these sorts of events almost always involve a depraved (and arguably insane), individual, the argument for concealed carry seems to be much more viable; such a measure would at least add an "equitability" to the playing field when such a maniac created said act. With some people, force is the only thing that they understand.

33girl · #10 12-09-2015, 10:55 AM

Most people do not have the training and skill of police officers to react quickly and safely (as far as not endangering bystanders) to someone with a firearm. Two people who don't know what they're doing is pretty much always worse than one person who doesn't know what he/she is doing.

honeychile · #11 12-09-2015, 01:26 PM

I'm hearing of more and more facilities (work place, schools, etc) which are having quick response drills. Better to be prepared than not.

PaddyMaxwell · #12 12-09-2015, 01:34 PM

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Most people do not have the training and skill of police officers to react quickly and safely (as far as not endangering bystanders) to someone with a firearm. Two people who don't know what they're doing is pretty much always worse than one person who doesn't know what he/she is doing.

This is entirely untrue; all concealed carry permit holders must have at least a minimum level of training/knowledge of firearms. Typically, this requirement is part of the application process. A great many enthusiasts, permit holders, and hunters actually have far more training that police officers with their weapons (because the cost of training isn't limited as with many officers). This doesn't even account for the veterans of the armed forces who arguably are better trained than any police department in the handling of weaponry.

If proper handling, marksmanship, and technique can be taught, and the "fear of firearms" removed, our world would be much safer; this should be taught in all curriculums High School and beyond; if an adult does not know the proper method of handling, dealing with, or unloading of a firearm, apparently, our education system has failed. This information can save lives.

MysticCat · #13 12-09-2015, 02:07 PM

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This is entirely untrue; all concealed carry permit holders must have at least a minimum level of training/knowledge of firearms.

True. But that is not the same as knowing what to do under stress in a crisis.

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A great many enthusiasts, permit holders, and hunters actually have far more training that police officers with their weapons (because the cost of training isn't limited as with many officers). This doesn't even account for the veterans of the armed forces who arguably are better trained than any police department in the handling of weaponry.

Again quite possible true. It doesn't mean that there aren't also lots of people carrying concealed weapons with only the minimum training.

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If proper handling, marksmanship, and technique can be taught, and the "fear of firearms" removed, our world would be much safer; this should be taught in all curriculums High School and beyond; if an adult does not know the proper method of handling, dealing with, or unloading of a firearm, apparently, our education system has failed. This information can save lives.

Odd, then, how it's not part of the education system in much of the rest of the world—is it part of the educational system anywhere other than Israel?—yet our death by firearms rate is markedly higher than any other country's.

As for the world being much safer if only, I don't buy that at all, much like I don't buy pretty much anything that the NRA is peddling.

DubaiSis · #14 12-09-2015, 03:48 PM

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True. But that is not the same as knowing what to do under stress in a crisis.

Again quite possible true. It doesn't mean that there aren't also lots of people carrying concealed weapons with only the minimum training.

Odd, then, how it's not part of the education system in much of the rest of the world—is it part of the educational system anywhere other than Israel?—yet our death by firearms rate is markedly higher than any other country's.

As for the world being much safer if only, I don't buy that at all, much like I don't buy pretty much anything that the NRA is peddling.

Mystic, don't feed the troll. Or do. But just sayin, this isn't a winnable or even teachable argument.

MysticCat · #15 12-09-2015, 04:24 PM

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Mystic, don't feed the troll. Or do. But just sayin, this isn't a winnable or even teachable argument.

i know. But my fingers got the better of me. I'm one and done on this one.