Results of 2006 APO Convention.

[naraht]

About a year ago, the APO National Board essentially said that the days of the all-male APO chapters were done. The recent convention put that into stone. While I haven't seen the exact wording, what it boils down to is any previously all-male APO chapter at a co-ed school either has to have women brothers or convince their Regional Director that they made a good faith effort. If neither, then the charter will be revoked.

I know the cascade effects won't affect all GSS chapters, but it does affect probably 8 or 10...

Randy

[gamma_girl52]

It won't affect GSS at all really. Why would it? That ruling has nothing to do with Gamma Sig.

[REE1993]

My school had APO and GSS. The APO chapter had several female brothers. There was never any competition between us; each org had its own thing going on. We did hold a few joint events, and aside from a TKE colony, were the only 2 GLOs on campus at the time.

[gamma_girl52]

Hopefully my last post wasn't too rude but really, if there were a school in which there is a GSS chapter and an all-male APO chapter that had to start actively recruiting women, then I don't think there would be any major conflicts there. We already have a few chapters that are in this type of situation and their membership doesn't seem to be affected.

At the end of it all, it's where ever that individual feels the most comfortable being.

[AngelPhiSig]

Since I wasnt active in college - I cant really say much on this subject - but I know that there was an APO chapter at my school and I did not join. I tried to bring Gamma Sig to CU, but it fell through (I believe part of this was me getting very into my classes that semester) but there was just something about GSS that made me want to choose them over APO.

I have expierece with sort of situation (although not exactly similar) with KKPsi and TBS, we have both chapters and both are co-ed, both do well since they recruit different personalities with few "borderline" people that could go either way.

I think that if a woman wants to be in APO she will choose APO, if she wants to be a Gamma Sig, she will choose Gamma Sig and both groups have something to offer and it will come down to the person going where they feel they fit in best.

Now Im thinking, "Where did all this positive talk come from?"... its been a crazy week and Ive been really negative!

[REE1993]

Originally Posted by gamma_girl52

Hopefully my last post wasn't too rude

Not at all, Sister!

[naraht]

As best as I can tell from what I've been able to find of GSS history, the 5 yeras after Alpha Phi Omega went co-ed were not good ones in terms of maintaining some of the active chapters. I just wanted you all to know.

YiLFS
Randolph Finder

[gamma_girl52]

It is true that MANY of the Gamma Sig chapters went inactive during that time but there were other factors to that as well.

Times are different. I have no doubt that our chapters will continue to do well...and I'll take it further and say that we'll continue to have new GSS colonies form on campuses in which there's an active, co-ed APO chapter (we've had several lately). Again, it will come down to where ever that person feels they have a good fit at.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by gamma_girl52

It is true that MANY of the Gamma Sig chapters went inactive during that time but there were other factors to that as well.

Times are different. I have no doubt that our chapters will continue to do well...and I'll take it further and say that we'll continue to have new GSS colonies form on campuses in which there's an active, co-ed APO chapter (we've had several lately). Again, it will come down to where ever that person feels they have a good fit at.

Agreed, many other factors. I'm not sure whether it will have
a noticable effect, but I don't think it will be a help.

[naraht]

This is from an *OLD* list I put together in 1999 based on 1999 data. I
know which chapters are active for both organizations have changed somewhat.

According to the Gamma Sigma Sigma national web page there are currently
47 active chapters of GSS. I've gone through them to see what the status
is of Alpha Phi Omega there. The results are 20 are at schools with co-ed
Alpha Phi Omega, 14 with all-male chapters of Alpha Phi Omega (about half
of the All-male chapters of APO), 8 are at schools where the APO chapter
is inactive and 5 are at schools that have never had APO.

(The order here is by GSS district, so it doesn't match an APO order)
Active GSS at schools with an active co-ed APO chapter (20)
U Wisc-Stout
Southeast Missouri St U
Southwest Missouri St
Penn St
Edinboro U of PA
Indiana U of PA
St. Francis C of PA
Shippensburg State U of PA (recently co-ed)
Slippery Rock U of PA
Stephen F Austin St U (TX)
Dillard U (LA)
U of GA
U of FL
Western KY U
UTenn-Knoxville
East Carolina U
U of North Carolina(Campus not mentioned on GSS web page)
St. Peters College (NJ)
Lebanon Valley College (PA)

Active GSS at schools with active all-male APO chapters (14)
U of Minn-Duluth
Duquesne U(PA)
U of Maine-Orono
Texas Wesleyan U.
Prairie View A&M U.(TX)
Texas Southern U.
Florida A&M U.
Samford U.(AL)
Carson Newman C. (TN)
Clemson U.(SC)
Austin Peay State U.(TN)
Drexel U. (PA)
U of Delaware
Moravian C. (PA)

Active GSS at schools with inactive APO chapters (9)
U of Wisc - La Crosse
U of St. Thomas(MN)
Marquette(WI)
Lynchburg C.(VA)
Utica C (NY)
Southwest Texas State U.
U of Alabama
Bethune Cookman C.(FL)
La Salle(PA)

Active GSS at schools that have never had an APO chapter(4)
SUNY-Postdam (works with the APO chapter at Clarkson U.)
North Georgia College.
Georgia College and State University
Bucks County CC
Temple U. -Ambler Campus

[33girl]

And at some of those schools...GSS functions almost like an NPC sorority. I'm not going to get into that too far, but my point is that if that's the case no one is really thinking of GSS and APO "competing" for members. The girls that join GSS wouldn't even think about APO, and vice versa.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by 33girl

And at some of those schools...GSS functions almost like an NPC sorority. I'm not going to get into that too far, but my point is that if that's the case no one is really thinking of GSS and APO "competing" for members. The girls that join GSS wouldn't even think about APO, and vice versa.

Yeah, culture of the chapter and the school make quite a difference.
I would expect the effect would be less at the HBCUs and
but more at the public schools.

[Empress0105]

i think it's foolish to force co-ed-ness on any organization. How do you force girls to rush your chapter if for decades it's just been known that only males do A Phi Que at XYZ School. I think it should still be a matter of choice...and as long as those chapters do theri service and don't kill anybody, then it shouldn't matter....

perfect example....TBS and KKY are both co-ed...but MOST chapters aren't and aren't forced to make that choice...


and i also don't think that that whol e"convince your regional director" thing is going to work....how do you convince someone who doesn't understand or like the all male culture of your org, that even if you stand in a female dorm and beg chicks to pledge your stuff...they won't becaue it's known you are to be a gamma sig if ou wnna be in the 25/52 circle.....


this topic really pisses me off...so i'm going to my corner

[summer_gphib]

Our chapter had some boys in it. Our school also had a co-ed APO. :-)

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Empress0105

i think it's foolish to force co-ed-ness on any organization. How do you force girls to rush your chapter if for decades it's just been known that only males do A Phi Que at XYZ School. I think it should still be a matter of choice...and as long as those chapters do theri service and don't kill anybody, then it shouldn't matter....

perfect example....TBS and KKY are both co-ed...but MOST chapters aren't and aren't forced to make that choice...


and i also don't think that that whol e"convince your regional director" thing is going to work....how do you convince someone who doesn't understand or like the all male culture of your org, that even if you stand in a female dorm and beg chicks to pledge your stuff...they won't becaue it's known you are to be a gamma sig if ou wnna be in the 25/52 circle.....


this topic really pisses me off...so i'm going to my corner

There's really too much in your post to go over word-for-word..... so let me just say please, allow APO to handle this one. I was at the convention when this decision was made and trust me, we got it.