FBI investigating possible spy for Israel

[The1calledTKE]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI has evidence that a person who has been working at high levels in the Pentagon may be a spy for Israel, a senior official confirmed to CNN on Friday.

The suspect could have been in a position to influence Bush administration policy toward Iran and Iraq, the senior official said.

A senior Pentagon official confirmed to CNN that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld "had been made generally aware that the Justice Department had an investigation going on."

CBS News, which first reported the story, said the FBI had developed evidence against the suspect, including photographs and conversations recorded through wiretaps.

The network said the suspect has ties to two senior Pentagon officials: Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith.

Multiple sources have told CNN that the investigation is well along, and one government official described the evidence against the suspect as a "slam dunk case."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/27/fbi.spy/index.html

[James]

What do we do with spies from an allied state lol?

Of course they have spies here just like I hope we have them there. But the Israelis have been good about not killing Americans. So we should probably give them some slack.

[AlphaSigOU]

Originally posted by James
What do we do with spies from an allied state lol?

Of course they have spies here just like I hope we have them there. But the Israelis have been good about not killing Americans. So we should probably give them some slack.

Ask Jonathan Jay Pollard. He's currently serving life in prison for passing defense secrets to Israel. His wife got five years for assisting him as well.

More info on the Pollard case: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...l/pollard.html

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by James
What do we do with spies from an allied state lol?

If he's a foreign national with diplomatic immunity, I think we just deport him.

And then wait for them to find out one of our embassy officials in Tel Aviv is spying -- they deport him/her, and the game goes on.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Ask Jonathan Jay Pollard. He's currently serving life in prison for passing defense secrets to Israel. His wife got five years for assisting him as well.

More info on the Pollard case: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...l/pollard.html

My loyalty is absolutely to the US, but this case puzzles me. Here is why. The Pollard case centered on information that the US was required to pass onto Israel but hadn't. Additionally the information was not only used by Israel but was beneficial to the US that Israel have it. To top it off he got a sentence that was harsher than a spy who killed his own countrymen. That to me is puzzling and there are theories that there is more involved in this case than what people know.

Anyway the case here is nothing as it stands. If and when a mole is produced then countries will deal with it. I have absolutely no doubt that there are probably British intelligence officials working within the US administration as well - heck even the UN is spied on. But for now this is just another allegation.

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Seems that the person under investigation is connected to Challabi and the IRanian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar, who was also the same arms dealer that handled iran-contra.

Will be interesting to see where this investigation going to lead to. I wonder if any heads will roll, if there is going to be an indictment and conviction of the individual.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Seems that the person under investigation is connected to Challabi and the IRanian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar, who was also the same arms dealer that handled iran-contra.

Will be interesting to see where this investigation going to lead to. I wonder if any heads will roll, if there is going to be an indictment and conviction of the individual.

Now Challabi is a complete piece of scum. If this guy is in any way connected with that man, I say they prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

[AlphaSigOU]

Originally posted by Rudey
My loyalty is absolutely to the US, but this case puzzles me. Here is why. The Pollard case centered on information that the US was required to pass onto Israel but hadn't. Additionally the information was not only used by Israel but was beneficial to the US that Israel have it. To top it off he got a sentence that was harsher than a spy who killed his own countrymen. That to me is puzzling and there are theories that there is more involved in this case than what people know.

Methinks Pollard was made an example pour encourager les autres from the sentence handed down by the court. Moreover, it came on the heels of the ultimate act of treason: the Walker family spy ring. (IMHO, the Walkers, along with Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen, should have been summarily executed - after we extracted all the information outta them.)

[Kevin]

Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Methinks Pollard was made an example pour encourager les autres from the sentence handed down by the court. Moreover, it came on the heels of the ultimate act of treason: the Walker family spy ring. (IMHO, the Walkers, along with Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen, should have been summarily executed - after we extracted all the information outta them.)

Agreed.

[_Opi_]

I wonder why the media is not making a big deal out of this?


The guy is probably going to get a slap on the wrist, if not just deportation.

[cashmoney]

I think the Israelis spy on everyone they can. And once you think about it, they have to.

[_Opi_]

spying on an ally? but why.....

[DeltAlum]

In just about every embassy in the world, including ours, there are (fill in the blank) attache's who are really intelligence officers. We spy on everyone, everyone else spies on everyone else. Part of the game.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
I wonder why the media is not making a big deal out of this?


The guy is probably going to get a slap on the wrist, if not just deportation.

Actually he hasn't been charged with anything. For over a year they have tried to investigate. And the guy would get deported? Yes a Christian who is an American and who has no ties to Israel should get deported - to America. Funny that you're also Canadian and Arab - not American but you're worried about our country? Next time instead of having so much hate and being ignorant, read and don't embarass yourself.

Officials have said that he has not had much influence on anyone high up, that the information he may or may not have shared was not even considered espionage, and that most likely charges will not be filed.

The fact is that America's "allies" in Western Europe are in DC conducting espionage operations on the US.

The fact is that Israel has told its greatest ally that it would not operate a single intelligence asset against America (the only country) to appease it.

The fact is that people within the CIA have done this to Israel before. They alleged that Israel was sharing information with China that could hurt Taiwan. It was later found out the info was wrong, planted by Taiwanese and people within the CIA who don't care much for Israel.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1078027574121

Aug. 29, 2004 22:10 | Updated Aug. 30, 2004 18:58
Analysis: Affair won't harm strong US-Israel ties
By GERALD M. STEINBERG

By their very nature, allegations of espionage and abuse of classified material get huge headlines, although the evidence – if any – usually remains murky and hidden from public scrutiny. This is particularly the case regarding the US and Israel, reflecting the wide security cooperation that has developed in response to terrorism, nuclear proliferation, and other mutual threats. Mixed with hints of conspiracy and dual loyalty, such cooperation presents a huge target for the relatively small number of American officials and journalists who want to see this relationship halted.

For many years, claims involving Israel and spying have been manipulated in the effort to drive a wedge between Washington and Jerusalem, particularly after the Pollard fiasco. The damage to relations in that case was extensive, and its echoes are still being felt today, making another "affair" the dream of all those who wish to disrupt US-Israel cooperation. But the lessons from Pollard appear to have been learned by both the Israeli government and the US. At the same time, the absence of real and juicy spy scandals has spurred the invention of fictitious ones.

A few years ago, false charges that Israel was stealing and selling the Pentagon's technical secrets to China were later revealed to have been part of a personal campaign of revenge involving two American officials working for different branches of the government. And headlines claiming that Israel was eavesdropping on the US were also exposed as nonsense. In another case, the head of the CIA – George Tenet – sent an apology to then Mossad head Danny Yatom apologizing for accusations linking Israel to espionage.

These periodic leaks and allegations, including the current case, reflect a wider agenda. The Arab lobby in Washington is gaining influence and access to the media, and peddling such stories is one means of moving the focus away from terrorism and the growing pressure from many Americans to end support for the corrupt regimes in the Middle East. In addition, fringe Republican Pat Buchanan and his adherents cling to the classical anti-Semitic myths in which Jews are portrayed as all powerful, and secretly manipulating US policy.

The post-war complications in Iraq and the charge that a neo-conservative kabal (code for Jews and Zionists, even though the top two neo-cons – Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and Vice President Cheney are neither) led America into this confrontation have revived these myths. This may explain the attempt to involve AIPAC – the "powerful" pro-Israel lobby – and the timing of this leak at the height of the US election campaign.

Yet despite these efforts and short-lived headlines, US-Israel security cooperation has become stronger, reflecting an understanding of the necessity of sharing resources and knowledge in order to counter the threats to both. In addition, the underlying shared values of democracy and freedom remain central, and mark the difference between American and European attitudes towards Israel.

Read rest at link above.

-Rudey