Can I Ask This?

Nanners52674 · #1 08-27-2013, 06:35 PM

I've heard it referenced in threads and I've done searches on GC and Google in general but what makes Arkansas such a "special snowflake", why are organizations so cautious to colonize there and what's the story with Theta?

Forgive me if this whole thread is a giant faux paux, but years of curiosity have gotten the best.

ASTalumna06 · #2 08-27-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nanners52674

I've heard it referenced in threads and I've done searches on GC and Google in general but what makes Arkansas such a "special snowflake", why are organizations so cautious to colonize there and what's the story with Theta?

Forgive me if this whole thread is a giant faux paux, but years of curiosity have gotten the best.

The title of this thread makes me chuckle, as you asked the question anyway.. obviously.. otherwise, there wouldn't have been a thread to create.

Anyway, carry on...

Nanners52674 · #3 08-27-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

The title of this thread makes me chuckle, as you asked the question anyway.. obviously.. otherwise, there wouldn't have been a thread to create.

Anyway, carry on...

Yes, I realize that. A bit pointless of a title, but there was no way real way to ask without um asking I guess?

AOII Angel · #4 08-27-2013, 06:48 PM

It's expensive to colonize. Housing costs over $5 million. You have to recruit nearly 400 women. The tiers are almost set in stone. There is no land to build on. That being said, there is TONS of interest in Greek life as you can tell. If you fail, that's a huge loss.

Nanners52674 · #5 08-27-2013, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

It's expensive to colonize. Housing costs over $5 million. You have to recruit nearly 400 women. The tiers are almost set in stone. There is no land to build on. That being said, their is TONS of interest in Greek life as you can tell. If you fail, that's a huge loss.

But don't we always say that with NM classes over 100 tiers can change from year to year, or is that just being idealistic? If colonizing is working at other big schools (Alabama) why is Arkansas so "extra" difficult?

carnation · #6 08-27-2013, 07:18 PM

To quote Tevye, "TRADITION!"

The only thing that has changed at Arkansas since I was there is that 3 groups have folded. They were struggling back in the day and made valiant efforts but a major reason they folded was that girls would drop if they didn't get the biggies. Housing was another one, their houses just didn't compare.

People talk about these massive pledge classes changing the SEC sororities but they really haven't changed perceived tiers.

AZTheta · #7 08-27-2013, 07:43 PM

Please explain: what exactly do you mean by "what's the story with Theta?" I'm not aware of any Arkansas story. You brought it up, so enlighten me and the rest of the readership.

AOII Angel · #8 08-27-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nanners52674

But don't we always say that with NM classes over 100 tiers can change from year to year, or is that just being idealistic? If colonizing is working at other big schools (Alabama) why is Arkansas so "extra" difficult?

Colonization works about as well at other big schools. Land is a little easier to come by at Bama. They did have two groups jump at Arkansas last year, so it's not as if NO one will try. LSU is similar. They opened and only ONE group applied to colonize. Why? Poor housing options and same issues as Arkansas. Their "tiers" are a little more fluid but hardly.

AOII Angel · #9 08-27-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AZTheta

Please explain: what exactly do you mean by "what's the story with Theta?" I'm not aware of any Arkansas story. You brought it up, so enlighten me and the rest of the readership.

I miss your name being AzTheta

Titchou · #10 08-27-2013, 08:35 PM

At Alabama, the University owns the land, rents it to the HC at a pittance ($1) and provides the bond money to loan to them to build. None of that is available at Arkansas.

Nanners52674 · #11 08-27-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AZTheta

Please explain: what exactly do you mean by "what's the story with Theta?" I'm not aware of any Arkansas story. You brought it up, so enlighten me and the rest of the readership.

I can't find where I read it, it had to have been back when orgs were presenting for extension, but I read more than one post that hinted that it would be a long time before Theta ever considered going back to Arkansas given when they left and then something about ill feelings (but I'm not saying those were the terms used) in Fayetville. I really wish I could find the thread.

gatordeltapgh · #12 08-27-2013, 08:58 PM

I'd add that although Bama might be super competitive and every other descriptor that has been used on this site. The community seems to have a "we'd rather be Greek and whatever tier than not Greek at all" attitude and that is awesome. Some other traditional communities mentioned in this thread might not have made the leap mentally yet.

Hopefully in time this will change in some of these traditional communities. It might not. If the Arkansas administration plans to be successful adding three more groups as published, something's got to change even a little. Otherwise what group would want to risk that kind of cash? The Panhellenic seems to be giving it their best so the next few years will be exciting and interesting.

For LSU, in addition to lack of housing options, I heard the culture of high risk behavior was a concern of many who checked things out last year. Plenty of groups went to the exploratory visit to check things out. Hats off to Alpha Phi for throwing their hat in the ring. I'm sure many are watching to see how things unfold. Best of luck to them!

gatordeltapgh · #13 08-27-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nanners52674

I can't find where I read it, it had to have been back when orgs were presenting for extension, but I read more than one post that hinted that it would be a long time before Theta ever considered going back to Arkansas given when they left and then something about ill feelings (but I'm not saying those were the terms used) in Fayetville. I really wish I could find the thread.

It doesn't matter. I remember that comment and its just the adult version of tent talk that is not only damaging, but makes things so much worse for any community. Theta is an awesome org, any campus would be lucky to have them as a guest. The way their leadership makes decisions about expansion is surely part of their larger strategic plan and that's good enough for me.

AOII Angel · #14 08-27-2013, 09:09 PM

Hmmm...I haven't heard about high risk behavior at LSU, and I'm very familiar with the campus and with our exploratory team's assessment. Interesting. LSU can have a "party school" rap, but no more than many big football schools.

DubaiSis · #15 08-27-2013, 10:10 PM

Unless there's a meth problem going on (which I doubt), it can't be any more high risk than at any other school. Unfortunately, there will be drinking to excess and other undesirable behavior in all but the absolutely most conservative schools. And it couldn't be hazing problems because if it was well enough known to be KNOWN, then all the nationals there would say screw the success of these chapters and start pulling charters. So my vote is for rumor and innuendo.

I think it was more concern for superstition (the Alpha sorority curse) and girls not being willing to pledge because of that kind of silliness that made the sororities take pause. When Alpha Phi does well, which of course they will, then others will be more willing to take the plunge. Much like I'm sure there are several sororities ready to take the plunge once this recent experiment at Arkansas works itself out.