We didn't hang that flag, say fraternity/Greenville, NC - Page 9

moe.ron · #**121** 08-20-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

Even if it *did* represent Southern pride, it doesn't anymore. The swastika was used for tons of things before the Nazis took it... so does that mean it's okay to use? No, it's become a hateful symbol in today's culture.

That depend on the contents. The Swastika is still use regulary and openly in Asian nations. There is a hotel in Bali name Swastika. So, why should a culture that have use the symbol for thousand of years be forced to stop using a symbol which they do not find offensive?

sdsuchelle · #**122** 08-21-2006, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron

That depend on the contents. The Swastika is still use regulary and openly in Asian nations. There is a hotel in Bali name Swastika. So, why should a culture that have use the symbol for thousand of years be forced to stop using a symbol which they do not find offensive?

Well, apparently if the majority of people over there do not find the swastika offensive, then fine. However, from my experience, most people feel that the Confederate Flag is racially polarizing. Maybe it's because I live in California, I don't know. I just think there are better ways to display "Southern Pride" than to use a symbol that obviously makes some people uncomfortable. It's called tact.

As for a fraternity hanging the flag, I think that's even worse. As members of GLO's we are supposed to present ourselves positively, and displaying the Confederate Flag is going to give some people a negative view of the fraternity/GLO's in general. Yes, they have the right to fly the flag, but that doesn't mean it's smart.

macallan25 · #**123** 08-21-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KAY10

Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. It's wrong, but you're still entitled to it.

who are you to say its wrong??

....I agree with him though. People throw around the term racist and bigot on this board more than anything I have ever seen. Its borderline completely ridiculous.

moe.ron · #**124** 08-21-2006, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

Well, apparently if the majority of people over there do not find the swastika offensive, then fine. However, from my experience, most people feel that the Confederate Flag is racially polarizing. Maybe it's because I live in California, I don't know. I just think there are better ways to display "Southern Pride" than to use a symbol that obviously makes some people uncomfortable. It's called tact.

As for a fraternity hanging the flag, I think that's even worse. As members of GLO's we are supposed to present ourselves positively, and displaying the Confederate Flag is going to give some people a negative view of the fraternity/GLO's in general. Yes, they have the right to fly the flag, but that doesn't mean it's smart.

I agree with you, just wanted to set the record straight that in some part of the world, swastika is not considered an offensive symbol, while other part it is.

KAY10 · #**125** 08-21-2006, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

who are you to say its wrong??

....I agree with him though. People throw around the term racist and bigot on this board more than anything I have ever seen. Its borderline completely ridiculous.

Don't worry about who I am. I said it's wrong because I can.

KAY10 · #**126** 08-21-2006, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

Well, apparently if the majority of people over there do not find the swastika offensive, then fine. However, from my experience, most people feel that the Confederate Flag is racially polarizing. Maybe it's because I live in California, I don't know. I just think there are better ways to display "Southern Pride" than to use a symbol that obviously makes some people uncomfortable. It's called tact.

As for a fraternity hanging the flag, I think that's even worse. As members of GLO's we are supposed to present ourselves positively, and displaying the Confederate Flag is going to give some people a negative view of the fraternity/GLO's in general. Yes, they have the right to fly the flag, but that doesn't mean it's smart.

You have a very valid point about GLOs flying that rebel flag, but some frats are just plain ignorant. GLOs like that can't help but to be ignorant. You gotta let an idiot be an idiot.

brobuzzz · #**127** 08-21-2006, 01:31 PM

You speak of ignorance and idiacy, but it is you who refuse to believe that anyone is entitled to a different opinion that yours.

Funny how Lincoln started the war on much the same premise as you now spout.

jon1856 · #**128** 08-21-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by brobuzzz

You speak of ignorance and idiacy, but it is you who refuse to believe that anyone is entitled to a different opinion that yours.

Funny how Lincoln started the war on much the same premise as you now spout.

Could there be or may there be a difference between ( private ) opinions/beliefs/thoughts and actions/statements?

And between actions/statements one makes as a person ( for themselves ) vs. what may be taken as a group?

And can opinions/beliefs be wrong in the general sense of things, society, law, public values, scientific studies et al.

A person does have a right to their own beliefs but when they start acting on them, spreading them..........Sort of like crying Fire........

macallan25 · #**129** 08-21-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KAY10

Don't worry about who I am. I said it's wrong because I can.

oh...ok

idiot.

shinerbock · #**130** 08-22-2006, 12:52 AM

I am absolutely entitled to it. Oh, and I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this to you before, but just because you think something is wrong, doesn't make it so. Especially when you have no backing to support your position.

hellocutie · #**131** 08-22-2006, 01:20 AM

As a black person from the south, I don't really pay much attention to that flag. I see it on a regular basis. Depending on where you are from, you may see a few black people flying the flag. I don't neccessarily believe you are racist if you fly the flag, but most of my white friends that fly the flag have told me that they were taught as a child that white people were better than all other races. Also, for the record, white people are not the only ones that can have conservative beliefs or not support affirmative actions. I don't think anyone equates being conservative with being racist. When you go to extreme measures to prove you are southern and conservative (fit in) that people believe you are racist.

brobuzzz · #**132** 08-22-2006, 08:23 AM

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Could there be or may there be a difference between ( private ) opinions/beliefs/thoughts and actions/statements?

And between actions/statements one makes as a person ( for themselves ) vs. what may be taken as a group?

And can opinions/beliefs be wrong in the general sense of things, society, law, public values, scientific studies et al.

A person does have a right to their own beliefs but when they start acting on them, spreading them..........Sort of like crying Fire........

This makes no sense, and the little sense I can get from it is wrong.

You're saying that I can think whatever I want, but it's morally wrong for me to voice my opinion or act on my opinion? Please explain to me how voicing an opinion that I hold true is equivilent to yelling something I know is not true simply to elicit a violent response. Or do you think I'm lying about what I've said so far, simply to watch you trample the old lady in the front row?

jon1856 · #**133** 08-22-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by brobuzzz

This makes no sense, and the little sense I can get from it is wrong.

You're saying that I can think whatever I want, but it's morally wrong for me to voice my opinion or act on my opinion? Please explain to me how voicing an opinion that I hold true is equivilent to yelling something I know is not true simply to elicit a violent response. Or do you think I'm lying about what I've said so far, simply to watch you trample the old lady in the front row?

Lets put this into a work or business situation:
You see a good looking Man/Woman and think that to your self. Fine.
However if you say something to them about it, you will be spending quality time with HR dept.

For the other part, how hard it is to follow? If one is ID'ed as a member of a group, would a action that they did be looked as an activity of their own or of the group? Many not be correct, but how many times does that happen?

Read my note again....

brobuzzz · #**134** 08-22-2006, 02:15 PM

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Lets put this into a work or business situation:
You see a good looking Man/Woman and think that to your self. Fine.
However if you say something to them about it, you will be spending quality time with HR dept.

That's a completely different situation. I have the right to say what I want, when I want on a social level, whereas when you start working for a company, they make you agree to the sexual harrasment policies of the company. Your comparison is only valid if I have previously promised not to express opinions that differ from others', which I, nor anyone, has done. Thus, your comparison is not valid.

jon1856 · #**135** 08-22-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brobuzzz

That's a completely different situation. I have the right to say what I want, when I want on a social level, whereas when you start working for a company, they make you agree to the sexual harrasment policies of the company. Your comparison is only valid if I have previously promised not to express opinions that differ from others', which I, nor anyone, has done. Thus, your comparison is not valid.

I disagree with your comment/belief. Situation is always there, wether or not in "writing". Just about everything one does and says in front of more than one person (themselves) is a going to have some sort of impact on others. Impact may be positive, negitive or just what ever....

Give some thought about it: Things you have done or said to others and how they reacted or things that others have said or done to you......for me does not take much thought to bring up some good examples....