Alleged Rape of NCCU Student: (Duke Scandal)

[futurestar1]

Originally posted by FeeFee
The proper term they should have used is Complainant. It's another way of saying plaintiff, accuser, petitioner, etc.

I'm really hope they re-test the DNA samples.

You and me both cuz something aint right.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by mccoyred
My thoughts exactly! They should have sent the evidence out to the Federal lab or another state. Too much possible Alumni involvement.

On another point, how would the victim tell one white guy from another? There could have been other white men present besides the Lacrosse players.

Right, I was thinking the same thing and you are right they should have sent the DNA out to be tested. There is too much room for partiality.

[Gods Ivy]

check out this site for updated info. All tests are NOT CONCLUSIVE. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041101942.html


Quote from the Washington Post:"Too many people are blaming the victim," said Shawn Cunningham, 34, a former Charlotte banker studying political science at NCCU. "Anyone that would take the position that this is her fault, shame on you. The press has disrespected this young lady. You have marginalized my sister to a stripper and an exotic dancer. You don't identify her as a student. You don't identify her as a mother. You don't identify her as a woman."Harris C. Johnson, a historian and NCCU graduate, recounted a case in which a black male was arrested on suspicion of raping a white woman and later released when police realized they had the wrong person."Those lacrosse players met the profile. Why weren't they arrested?" Johnson asked Nifong. "What's the difference? Is it the billion-dollar endowment of Duke, which can buy anything and everyone?"

[PerfectVerse06]

The press has disrespected this young lady. You have marginalized my sister to a stripper and an exotic dancer. You don't identify her as a student. You don't identify her as a mother. You don't identify her as a woman

Amen Amen!

It's like they are saying that BECAUSE she is a stripper, she DESERVED what happened to her. Or that because she is a BLACK woman, no WHITE man-especially one priviledged enough to attend the prestigious Duke University-would want to engage in any sexual activity with her.

What a shame...

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by PerfectVerse06
Amen Amen!

It's like they are saying that BECAUSE she is a stripper, she DESERVED what happened to her. Or that because she is a BLACK woman, no WHITE man-especially one priviledged enough to attend the prestigious Duke University-would want to engage in any sexual activity with her.

What a shame...

Yes, I know that seems to be what's been said a lot lately that she deserved it or that she was lying. Couldn't possibly be telling the truth because she is a stripper. If you notice there was very little mention that she was a mother or student, just an alleged victim.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
Yes, I know that seems to be what's been said a lot lately that she deserved it or that she was lying. Couldn't possibly be telling the truth because she is a stripper. If you notice there was very little mention that she was a mother or student, just an alleged victim.

Just FYI and speaking for myself only:

My basis for asserting that she is lying has absolutely nothing to do with her profession (though let's be honest; it doesn't help her standing in this case), it has everything to do with her legal priviledge as a woman and the deferential treatment she gets from the law and the government as a result merely on her word alone, irrespective of whether or not it is true.

THAT is what makes me personally suspicious of her and her allegations. Many men have been wrongly imprisoned solely on the word of a scorned woman (with or without the help of a little legal railroading) with no other motive than to be spiteful (and more than a little bit selfish) and that when they cry "Rape", people will immediately come a-running to her side. It's like the little boy who cried "Wolf!"

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Just FYI and speaking for myself only:

My basis for asserting that she is lying has absolutely nothing to do with her profession (though let's be honest; it doesn't help her standing in this case), it has everything to do with her legal priviledge as a woman and the deferential treatment she gets from the law and the government as a result merely on her word alone, irrespective of whether or not it is true.

THAT is what makes me personally suspicious of her and her allegations. Many men have been wrongly imprisoned solely on the word of a scorned woman (with or without the help of a little legal railroading) with no other motive than to be spiteful (and more than a little bit selfish) and that when they cry "Rape", people will immediately come a-running to her side. It's like the little boy who cried "Wolf!"

UNLIKE the little boy who cried wolf, the alleged victim had PHYSICAL marks, which indicated that someone had in fact raped her. Whether it was the 3 white men or not, the DA stated, on record that a rape had in fact occurred by the presentation of her injures. That does not seem like a cry that seems like a reality.

I really hope for all who do not believe something happened to this woman, you never have to experience a similar situation. Its easy to judge when we are on the outside looking in but when the DA states that something in fact happened to this women, there is a problem. If it happend to one of you, and your backgrounds or present issues come into play, would you want justice or to be judged on your past or present choices?

[TonyB06]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Just FYI and speaking for myself only:

My basis for asserting that she is lying has absolutely nothing to do with her profession (though let's be honest; it doesn't help her standing in this case), it has everything to do with her legal priviledge as a woman and the deferential treatment she gets from the law and the government as a result merely on her word alone, irrespective of whether or not it is true.

THAT is what makes me personally suspicious of her and her allegations. Many men have been wrongly imprisoned solely on the word of a scorned woman (with or without the help of a little legal railroading) with no other motive than to be spiteful (and more than a little bit selfish) and that when they cry "Rape", people will immediately come a-running to her side. It's like the little boy who cried "Wolf!"

...dude, didn't you call her a "lying skank" like two pages ago? I'm trying to follow your logic.

Are you saying she rolled in a party on a group 40 deep simply because her "legal priviledge as a woman and the deferential treatment she gets from the law and the government as a result merely on her word alone" let her know, in advance, she could cry "rape" and get away with it? I'd think she could have found ways to have way more fun at much less risk.

I don't know at this point whether she's been truthful or been lying. Since I wasn't there, I agree with LIL JUICEY's thought, wait and see what the evidence suggests. But I'm not following what you're saying here.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by TonyB06
...dude, didn't you call her a "lying skank" like two pages ago? I'm trying to follow your logic.

Are you saying she rolled in a party on a group 40 deep simply because her "legal priviledge as a woman and the deferential treatment she gets from the law and the government as a result merely on her word alone" let her know, in advance, she could cry "rape" and get away with it? I'd think she could have found ways to have way more fun at much less risk.

I don't know at this point whether she's been truthful or been lying. Since I wasn't there, I agree with LIL JUICEY's thought, wait and see what the evidence suggests. But I'm not following what you're saying here.

Ditto: TonyB06

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
UNLIKE the little boy who cried wolf, the alleged victim had PHYSICAL marks, which indicated that someone had in fact raped her. Whether it was the 3 white men or not, the DA stated, on record that a rape had in fact occurred by the presentation of her injures. That does not seem like a cry that seems like a reality.

But was it necessarily those 3 white men (or any other member of the lacrosse team)? That is the million dollar question.

Its easy to judge when we are on the outside looking in but when the DA states that something in fact happened to this women, there is a problem.

I'm questioning the DA's true motives behind pursuing this case so aggresively, particularly in light of the timing of this case (hint: he will be up for re-election very soon and this is not the time to be making unnecessary waves).

If it happend to one of you, and your backgrounds or present issues come into play, would you want justice or to be judged on your past or present choices?

Both. Sometimes your past and present choices can be very material to the strengths and weaknesses of your case.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by TonyB06
...dude, didn't you call her a "lying skank" like two pages ago? I'm trying to follow your logic.

Yes, I did, and if she was a 6-figure corporate lawyer in the same situation, I would say the exact same thing.

Are you saying she rolled in a party on a group 40 deep simply because her "legal priviledge as a woman and the deferential treatment she gets from the law and the government as a result merely on her word alone" let her know, in advance, she could cry "rape" and get away with it? I'd think she could have found ways to have way more fun at much less risk.

No, I am saying she is crying rape simply because her legal priviledge....etc, etc. As far as her finding ways to have more fun at much less risk, let's just say with today's women, I learned never to underestimate the lengths they would go to "teach someone a lesson".

I don't know at this point whether she's been truthful or been lying. Since I wasn't there, I agree with LIL JUICEY's thought, wait and see what the evidence suggests. But I'm not following what you're saying here.

The [DNA] evidence already suggested there was no indication that sexual contact occured. What more are you looking for?

[Gods Ivy]

Yes but is it fair and should it be like that?

[Gods Ivy]

The [DNA] evidence already suggested there was no indication that sexual contact occured. What more are you looking for? [/B][/QUOTE]


Do you not read, please understand that 75 out of 80 rapes do not have DNA evidence. You can wear a condom when you rape someone that does not mean you did not rape them. That just meant that you protected yourself and did not leave anything behind to be discovered. If she was not raped then why did they find her finger nails and wallet in the house? There was a struggle. Please educated yourself on the articles attached to the posts.

[teena]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
UNLIKE the little boy who cried wolf, the alleged victim had PHYSICAL marks, which indicated that someone had in fact raped her. Whether it was the 3 white men or not, the DA stated, on record that a rape had in fact occurred by the presentation of her injures. That does not seem like a cry that seems like a reality.

I really hope for all who do not believe something happened to this woman, you never have to experience a similar situation. Its easy to judge when we are on the outside looking in but when the DA states that something in fact happened to this women, there is a problem. If it happend to one of you, and your backgrounds or present issues come into play, would you want justice or to be judged on your past or present choices?

So very true. The reality is that no one really knows what took place.

[TonyB06]

Originally posted by Rain Man
...No, I am saying she is crying rape simply because her legal priviledge....etc, etc. As far as her finding ways to have more fun at much less risk, let's just say with today's women, I learned never to underestimate the lengths they would go to "teach someone a lesson".

...The [DNA] evidence already suggested there was no indication that sexual contact occured. What more are you looking for?

I don't know who you roll with, but you might want to upgrade if you feel what you've described is representative of "today's women."

As to what I'm looking for, right now I'm looking for you to read more closely what I actually said. I said "see what the evidence suggests," I never limited my comment to DNA evidence. The prosecutor suggests he has more than DNA evidence, so let's hear him out.

Again, either she's truthful or she's lying and we'll all know soon enough. ....or we may never know.

peace.