Mrs. Sheehan speaks

[damasa]

Originally posted by Lindz928
I thought this deserved to be quoted. I agree with you, and congrats to have the guts to say what you feel. There are so many loud mouths with bad things to say about the war, our government, and our president. It is nice to see someone be so outspoken for the other point of view. Thank you.

There are a hell of a lot of "loudmouths" on the reverse side as well.

People don't have to support this war. They don't have to support this president. They don't have to support this current administration. Regardless of what your Republican mindset tell you.

[kddani]

Originally posted by damasa
There are a hell of a lot of "loudmouths" on the reverse side as well.

People don't have to support this war. They don't have to support this president. They don't have to support this current administration. Regardless of what your Republican mindset tell you.

Why Blaine, how DARE you disagree with the war and the President! GTFO of here if you don't like it.

Thought i'd just save the hard-core, hard-headed GCers the time in posting

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by amanda6035
Yes.


Come ON Now....you ask a stupid question, you get a stupid answer.


Been trying to ignore this thread cause people are just being idiots and NOT getting the REAL picture....but I just couldnt resist giving a smart@$$ answer to this one.

Enjoy.

Nice, and classy too. I'm sure glad those aren't my letters in your signature.

[xo_kathy]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
I would only reserve a GTFO comment for people like Alec Baldwin who said that he would move if Bush was elected. Other than that, a GTFO comment is profoundly un-American. Its the type of thing that you hear from people who know almost nothing about this nation's Founding Fathers.

THANK YOU, Russ!!!!!!!!!!! And for the rercord, Russ is neither republican nor democrat, so don't think he's siding with the 'crazy liberals', Amanda.

Seriously, and I REALLY mean this - what do you NOT GET about the fact that I can bitch and moan all I want because this IS a free country. One I am very proud to be a citizen of. Did you bitch and moan when Clinton was in office? OR, if some democrat gets elected in 2008 and starts doing things you absolutely disagree with, will you smile big, cheer for that person, and talk about how happy you are that he/she is in office? As I said before, I am involved for change on the grassroots level, I do what I can to make the changes I want and get the people elected that I agree with.

The fact that you have equated being unhappy with the President and his policies to your college student government and quitting a job you don't like just shows how you will never see the point. I'll throw up my hands and give you a big old . I won't go so far as to call you "stupid" or an "idiot" as you have so nicely and maturely called many of us.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KSigkid
I think the people who say that support the troops, but don't necessarily support the war or reasons behind going to war.

And how do people support the troops?

It's one of those empty statements like "Make love, not war."

-Rudey

[Rudey]

I heard Mrs. Sheehan will be protesting outside of John Kerry's house because he voted for the Iraq war.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Is it on moveon.org?

-Rudey

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Rudey
I heard Mrs. Sheehan will be protesting outside of John Kerry's house because he voted for the Iraq war.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Is it on moveon.org?

-Rudey

Oh get over it Rudey - really who else should she protest in front of if she is opposed to the war?

Who lied about WMD? Who 'manipulated' intel to fit with the build up to war? Who told the UN that definative evidence of mobile Bio-labs existed? Who told the American people about Uranium from Niger? Who discounted concerns from other nations with intelligence on Iraq? Who ignored the reports of the UN, Canadians, French, Germans, Russians, and even yes the Brits? Who dismissed the general and reports that more troops would be needed? Who said that the troops would be greeted with "flowers and kisses"? Who has obviously failed to plan for the occupation? Who fired the economist who said the war would cost 200B? Who claims that the war would pay for itself are now shown to be laughably wrong? Who linked Saddam and 9/11 in speeches? Who declared combat operations over? Who smuggly told the insurgents to "bring it on"? Who appointed the General to Abu-Gharib after allegations of abuse in Gitmo and Afghanistan? Who declared that the Geneava Convention will not apply in Iraq or Afghanistn? Who policies have been killing more Iraqis per year than Saddam did? Who policies and lies have lead many coalition members to abandon Iraq? Who policies in Iraq have managed to create more terrorism world-wide?

Answer: The White House

So who should a protestor angered by any over the above protest against - the White House, as it is represented and led by Bush.

Is her protest valid - yep.

Is her goal of getting the troops withdrawn immediately vaild - nope. Simply because withdrawing the troops after making a mess of things in Iraq is beyond short-sighted and self defeating. Ultimately the US and the UK should stay in Iraq for the long haul... if only to drive home the lesson that wars should not be entered so lightly and on such flimsy ground of justification.

[Rudey]

Rob,
Perhaps you would like to get over the fact that you're not American?

Repost of my post:

I heard Mrs. Sheehan will be protesting outside of John Kerry's house because he voted for the Iraq war.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Is it on moveon.org?

-Rudey

Originally posted by RACooper
Oh get over it Rudey - really who else should she protest in front of if she is opposed to the war?

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Rudey
Rob,
Perhaps you would like to get over the fact that you're not American?

Why should I get over it? For me it's a matter of pride not to be an American but a Canadian - just as I hope it's a matter of pride for you to be an American and not something else.

All that aside it is interesting you chose to ignore the entirety of the post, and dismissing in the same old tired way of "you aren't American so you have no voice". As if the Iraq War and the questions regarding its planning and prosecution somehow only affects the US, and that these questions and protests are only a matter in the US...

Guess what citizen of many countries are dying in Iraq and elsewhere because of this war - do the terrorists/insurgents cite Afghanistan as their rallying call? No, instead they cite Bush's assine statement about a crusade. No, instead they cite the "unjust" war and occupation of Iraq.

Pull your head out of the FOXNews reality (ass) and think about what impact the White House's policies have had on the rest of the world - particularly with regards to global security.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
Why should I get over it? For me it's a matter of pride not to be an American but a Canadian - just as I hope it's a matter of pride for you to be an American and not something else.

All that aside it is interesting you chose to ignore the entirety of the post, and dismissing in the same old tired way of "you aren't American so you have no voice". As if the Iraq War and the questions regarding its planning and prosecution somehow only affects the US, and that these questions and protests are only a matter in the US...

Guess what citizen of many countries are dying in Iraq and elsewhere because of this war - do the terrorists/insurgents cite Afghanistan as their rallying call? No, instead they cite Bush's assine statement about a crusade. No, instead they cite the "unjust" war and occupation of Iraq.

Pull your head out of the FOXNews reality (ass) and think about what impact the White House's policies have had on the rest of the world - particularly with regards to global security.

I heard Mrs. Sheehan will be protesting outside of John Kerry's house because he voted for the Iraq war.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Is it on moveon.org?

-Rudey

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by damasa
There are a hell of a lot of "loudmouths" on the reverse side as well.

People don't have to support this war. They don't have to support this president. They don't have to support this current administration. Regardless of what your Republican mindset tell you.

Voting for Bush does NOT make me a Republican. It makes me a voter. I do not consider myself Republican or Democrat. I do not consider myself a liberal or a conservative. I consider myself an American, just as everyone else does.

I do NOT agree with everything that Bush does or says. I think that some of his ideas and policies are rediculous. (WHY exactly is it bad for the country if gay people get married?? I have no idea and I don't agree with this idea at all.)

BUT, I do support the administration (and still would if it was Democratic), I support our President, and I support every man and woman who has the courage to go over there and defend our country. I have respect beyond belief for them.

None of this makes me a Republican.

I have never said that everyone has to support what is going on. But, I do still think that they deserve some amount of respect. And I don't appreciate people being rude to me simply because I support the war. I am not rude to those who disagree with me. If anything I have said before has come across as rude, I apologize- it is never an intention.

And I will say AGAIN that I am not one of those GTFO people. I think that idea goes against the freedom of ideas that the founders of our country were seeking. But, I do say AGAIN that if you are going to be childish and say, "I'm going to leave the country if so-and-so is elected." Go ahead. I am talking about the extremists here. I am not talking about those who simply disagree with the administration.

I would also like to add that I think someone saying "I would like to see Bush taken out by any means necessary." is pretty out there. Are you saying you would like to see the President assasinated if it meant he was out of office? I find that to be rather extreme. I don't think I would ever say that about our President, regardless of party affiliation.

I am not asking you to agree with me.... I am simply asking that you respect my opinion and my right to it.... Just as I do for you.

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by Rudey
I heard Mrs. Sheehan will be protesting outside of John Kerry's house because he voted for the Iraq war.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Is it on moveon.org?

-Rudey

To actually answer your question- I have not heard anything about that yet. If I find something about it, I will post.

[33girl]

Christopher Hitchens' take on the situation.

[Lindz928]

Very interesting editorial. Thank you for posting that link.

[damasa]

Originally posted by Lindz928
Voting for Bush does NOT make me a Republican. It makes me a voter. I do not consider myself Republican or Democrat. I do not consider myself a liberal or a conservative. I consider myself an American, just as everyone else does.

I do NOT agree with everything that Bush does or says. I think that some of his ideas and policies are rediculous. (WHY exactly is it bad for the country if gay people get married?? I have no idea and I don't agree with this idea at all.)

BUT, I do support the administration (and still would if it was Democratic), I support our President, and I support every man and woman who has the courage to go over there and defend our country. I have respect beyond belief for them.

None of this makes me a Republican.

I have never said that everyone has to support what is going on. But, I do still think that they deserve some amount of respect. And I don't appreciate people being rude to me simply because I support the war. I am not rude to those who disagree with me. If anything I have said before has come across as rude, I apologize- it is never an intention.

And I will say AGAIN that I am not one of those GTFO people. I think that idea goes against the freedom of ideas that the founders of our country were seeking. But, I do say AGAIN that if you are going to be childish and say, "I'm going to leave the country if so-and-so is elected." Go ahead. I am talking about the extremists here. I am not talking about those who simply disagree with the administration.

I would also like to add that I think someone saying "I would like to see Bush taken out by any means necessary." is pretty out there. Are you saying you would like to see the President assasinated if it meant he was out of office? I find that to be rather extreme. I don't think I would ever say that about our President, regardless of party affiliation.

I am not asking you to agree with me.... I am simply asking that you respect my opinion and my right to it.... Just as I do for you.

It's ok buddy. I respect your opinion although I don't agree with it. I respect your opinion while you are hopefully wishing that other people that don't agree with you will also respect your opinion. I just don't think calling those people "loud mouths" will help with any respect given and/or deserved.

It's pretty simple. of course we all want our opinions to be respected, such is that case that you may want to take a step back and respect the opinions of some of these so-called "loud mouthed" individuals, you know? That's all I was simply trying to say.

Also, I didn't call you a Republican, I said your "Republican mindset" and in this case there is a huge difference. I was making it in reference to your statment regarding people supporting the war, the president and this admin.

I'm sorry but I don't support the war and I can't even begin to support Bush for sending our troops to Iraq where almost 1900 have died to date. I don't respect that at all, if you do that's fine, I respect you for respecting that but I can't bring myself to do so.

I do not wish to see the pres taken out by any means necessary ( I realize you were making a general statment there).

I do not want to leave this country. I disagree with certain things currently but hell, I make a shitload of money, I'm going nowhere.