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GoneGreek · #**121** 08-15-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
It wasn't a nasty thing to do. It was part of the "business" of being in a sorority. When she signed her pledge to her group, she promised to fulfill certain financial obligations. I'm betting she was also told that she had to live in at some point.

Did she try to explain her situation to the standards board and the treasurer? Did she attempt to set up a payment plan?

and again, NO ONE EVER MENTIONED GOING THROUGH DRAWERS EVER EVER ANYWHERE!!!

She promised to fulfill those obligations two years earlier when her dad wasn't dead. A heart attack in his early 50s wasn't exactly something the family had been planning on. Unfortunately, her parents had been paying the bills until then, but he died during the summer, and it was too late to apply for financial aid.

Trust me, the chapter understood the situation. She was a double legacy. They just didn't care to make an exception because they were in a financial black hole.

The lack of empathy in your post gives me a lot of insight into why you seem to think of sisterhood as a "business".

33girl · #**122** 08-15-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Well, that is the difference between organizations and perhaps even between NPHC and non-NPHC.

If someone in the NPHC is a duly initiated member, their inability to meet financial obligations and so forth isn't enough to expel the person from the organization. The person can be inactive or nonfinancial, but they can always be reinstated or reclaimed while in college or upon graduation.

So, I presume I'm talking about something different than what you initially were as well.

We do have a thread on here about reinstating membership. Some groups will reinstate you if you pay off your debts - I think it actually happened to someone on here. But yes, you can be terminated solely for financial reasons. The frequency with which this is done varies GREATLY from campus to campus & group to group.

You can go "inactive" or "special status" in some groups which means your dues are reduced.

But when you're talking about huge chapters w/ huge houses (and even some smaller chapters/houses) everyone is usually required to live in at some point if the space is there. It's something you should know and be aware of before you go through rush, let alone pledge, let alone are initiated.

DSTCHAOS · #**123** 08-15-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by GoneGreek
She promised to fulfill those obligations two years earlier when her dad wasn't dead. A heart attack in his early 50s wasn't exactly something the family had been planning on. Unfortunately, her parents had been paying the bills until then, but he died during the summer, and it was too late to apply for financial aid.

Trust me, the chapter understood the situation. She was a double legacy. They just didn't care to make an exception because they were in a financial black hole.

The lack of empathy in your post gives me a lot of insight into why you seem to think of sisterhood as a "business".

While some people can't fulfill financial obligations due to the death of a parent, others can't fulfill obligations due to a shopping addiction.

There will always be exceptions and your initial post was quite vague.

33girl · #**124** 08-15-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by GoneGreek
She promised to fulfill those obligations two years earlier when her dad wasn't dead. A heart attack in his early 50s wasn't exactly something the family had been planning on. Unfortunately, her parents had been paying the bills until then, but he died during the summer, and it was too late to apply for financial aid.

Trust me, the chapter understood the situation. She was a double legacy. They just didn't care to make an exception because they were in a financial black hole.

The lack of empathy in your post gives me a lot of insight into why you seem to think of sisterhood as a "business".

Please quit assuming. I do not think of sisterhood as a business, and that is not what I said, but if you are in a huge chapter with a house the size of a dorm, you're stupid to think there is no "business" whatsoever involved.

I have the utmost sympathy for your friend's situation, and if this chapter treated her poorly I'm sorry, but you can't give everyone a pass on financial obligations (which is what you seem to be advocating) because of what she went through.

Lindz928 · #**125** 08-15-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by GoneGreek
but he died during the summer, and it was too late to apply for financial aid.

This is really here nor there, but from my experience it is NEVER too late to get SOME kind of financial aid. And this is coming from someone who spent ALOT of time in the FAID office while I was in school.

I once needed an emergency loan for some reason or another, and was able to get $1500 in about an hour from the university. So, even though it was summer, the school doesn't close down and I think there must have been some way to get financial aid.

But, like I said- neither here nor there.

I sympathize with her situation. Maybe her chapter COULD have been a little bit more understanding- but it still goes that if you can't pay the dues, you shouldn't be allowed to retain membership. That is what financially inactive is for.

DSTCHAOS · #**126** 08-15-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
We do have a thread on here about reinstating membership. Some groups will reinstate you if you pay off your debts - I think it actually happened to someone on here. But yes, you can be terminated solely for financial reasons. The frequency with which this is done varies GREATLY from campus to campus & group to group.

You can go "inactive" or "special status" in some groups which means your dues are reduced.

But when you're talking about huge chapters w/ huge houses (and even some smaller chapters/houses) everyone is usually required to live in at some point if the space is there. It's something you should know and be aware of before you go through rush, let alone pledge, let alone are initiated.

That's deep.

_Q_ · #**127** 08-15-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by GoneGreek
You did use the words "WE" and "REMOVE" not "Ask For It Back". What are we supposed to think?

Co-sign. If the former member invited former sisters to come over and pick up the letters, that would be appropriate. But just showing up uninvited seems presumptuous. It's the same reason it wouldn't be OK for the former member to just show up at the house or at the GLO's social events.

ladygreek · #**128** 08-15-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by GoneGreek
She promised to fulfill those obligations two years earlier when her dad wasn't dead. A heart attack in his early 50s wasn't exactly something the family had been planning on. Unfortunately, her parents had been paying the bills until then, but he died during the summer, and it was too late to apply for financial aid.

Trust me, the chapter understood the situation. She was a double legacy. They just didn't care to make an exception because they were in a financial black hole.

The lack of empathy in your post gives me a lot of insight into why you seem to think of sisterhood as a "business".

I think the lack of empathy was with that chapter. 33Girl doesn't know the situation the way you do, and you are give info in bits and pieces as you see fit to make your case. She was merely talking about the rules and regulations.

In the NPHC, if that were to happen, we would be having fundraisers to help our member out.

33girl · #**129** 08-15-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by _Q_
Co-sign. If the former member invited former sisters to come over and pick up the letters, that would be appropriate. But just showing up uninvited seems presumptuous. It's the same reason it wouldn't be OK for the former member to just show up at the house or at the GLO's social events.

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Originally posted by 33girl
When someone was terminated it was explained to her that she was no longer a member and as such did not have a right to the insignia of the org. The girl's big usually went over with the prez or whoever, and the girls terminated didn't have a problem with it...they knew it was coming. If there was a real problem, she would be given $$$ for the expensive items like her jacket.

No one was entering the girl's place and removing items without her being there.

GeekyPenguin · #**130** 08-15-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by GoneGreek
The First Ammendment allows Johanna to wear the shirt and act however she wants -- even if she's no longer a member. You may not like it, but if organizations could sue people for misbehaving while wearing their logos/letters/emblems/jerseys, we'd all be in trouble.

The First Ammendment is the same protection that allows alumni to come on these boards and post nasty rumors about anonymouse people from their own schools or organizations.

HAHA HA HA HA.

You go to People's College of Law, don't you?

A-M-E-N-D-M-E-N-T

DSTCHAOS · #**131** 08-15-2005, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Lindz928
This is really here nor there, but from my experience it is NEVER too late to get SOME kind of financial aid. And this is coming from someone who spent ALOT of time in the FAID office while I was in school.

I once needed an emergency loan for some reason or another, and was able to get $1500 in about an hour from the university. So, even though it was summer, the school doesn't close down and I think there must have been some way to get financial aid.

But, like I said- neither here nor there.

I worked financial aid and there are clear deadlines for federal and alternative loans. Emergency loans are based on institutional deadlines and fund availability. So, at the institutions I worked at, we did have students who completely missed the boat on financial aid and emergency loans.

The sooner the better is a good rule of thumb. Most schools' registration and records drop your registration if you do not pay the cashier's office out of pocket (including payment plan) or are unable to show the cashier's office that you have funds preapproved and on their way from an outside source. If you have yet to apply for federal or alternative loans then you technically don't have money preapproved and on the way. If there are no emergency funds available to loan students, there is nothing that can be done.

Blahzey blah...you're right, neither here nor there.

DSTCHAOS · #**132** 08-15-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by ladygreek
In the NPHC, if that were to happen, we would be having fundraisers to help our member out.

Or, the person would have a yard sale and visit the pawn shop.

kddani · #**133** 08-15-2005, 06:00 PM

holy major hijack batman.

GL Mods, can we split this thread please?

GeekyPenguin · #**134** 08-15-2005, 06:10 PM

PM I just received from our buddy GoneGreek..

"I'm surprised you didn't pick on the "anonymouse" quote either. As a moderator, you're a representative of your sorority. Do you really think going around and picking on people for misspellings is mature and respectful? Or are you a bitchy, intellectual snob who thinks that they are superior to others? The quote at the bottom of your posts would have me think so "

I <3 GC.

ladygreek · #**135** 08-15-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
PM I just received from our buddy GoneGreek..

"I'm surprised you didn't pick on the "anonymouse" quote either. As a moderator, you're a representative of your sorority. Do you really think going around and picking on people for misspellings is mature and respectful? Or are you a bitchy, intellectual snob who thinks that they are superior to others? The quote at the bottom of your posts would have me think so "

I <3 GC.

Either she is very judgemental, or she doesn't get the joke, or both.