On hazing - Page 9

HotDamnImAPhiMu · #**121** 10-08-2003, 09:18 PM

whatwhat?

DeltAlum · #**122** 10-08-2003, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by gart
Because there are parts of hazing that teaches the pledges lessons. Like teamwork and to never give up. Yeah you could do those same things just by a scavenger hunt but not to the same extent. When they have to remind each other to keep going no matter what happens and they would do whatever it takes to join us in our brotherhood then thats teamwork and they learned everything it takes to be a brother.

Even the service acadamy people are being forced to give up hazing their underclassmen.

Sports teams and marching bands are being punished for hazing.

Boot camp isn't a shadow of what it once was. (Although I'm sure it's still not pleasant -- it used to be brutal)

There are better ways of doing things.

Edited to add just one more of many cases in point:

TCU fraternity gets probation for hazing

Phi Gamma Delta fraternity at Texas Christian University has been placed on probation after a weeklong investigation determined that members were involved in hazing.

School and fraternity officials would not comment on specifics of the incident, other than to say that it occurred on the TCU campus Sept. 25.

A condition of the probation is that the fraternity may not hold social events involving alcohol. One possible punishment for hazing is expulsion from the campus.

Zerek Travis, chapter president of the fraternity, said he accepts the outcome of the investigation. The sanctions "could have been a lot worse," he said.

GeekyPenguin · #**123** 10-09-2003, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by gart
yeah but have you kept the same traditions for the whole 141 years or did you change them? We didnt just change all of our traditions because we were afraid of getting caught we just made it harder for them to catch us. Oh and where i am at we are the oldest glo on our campus.

Well we did stop forcing ladies to wear skirts to meetings and not have men in their bedrooms...lots of things have changed since then!

AXORissa · #**124** 10-09-2003, 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Well we did stop forcing ladies to wear skirts to meetings and not have men in their bedrooms...lots of things have changed since then!

hehe... techically our chapter still has the no men in the bedroom rule... not like we followed it

hmm.. my 2 cents... i wasn't hazed, but we did start to "haze" the newer girls-- stupid things like scavenger hunts, road trips, etc. Not real hazing like beatings and making the girls drink, but things national would probably consider hazing. I wish we got to do the things we made the newer girls did-- it definitely brought those pledge classes closer together than mine was. We were really fractured, and a bunch of girls eventually dropped. Maybe if we had to do more team building activities like a scavenger hunt in NYC (the girls said that was the best new member activity!), then things would have been different.

I am not a proponent of beating, circling the fat, line ups, etc... I wouldnt want to be in a chapter that yelled at me and embarassed me all the time.

Rissa

Kevin · #**125** 10-09-2003, 01:24 AM

Let this message serve as valuable advice to all members of national organizations posting on this thread...

If you are a member of a national organization, it's not fair to the members of your organization that don't haze to associate your letters with hazing. Even worse to point out which chapter you belong to.

I'd advise you to edit/delete your posts accordingly, national offices do read these boards.

cashmoney · #**126** 10-09-2003, 01:45 AM

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Originally posted by AXORissa
Not real hazing like making the girls drink

Rissa

I had to drink a bottle vodka straight and smoke a pound of weed, while having drug tests a few weeks later. And that was the easy stuff.

Thank god my letters aren't associated with my name.

gart · #**127** 10-09-2003, 02:26 AM

Pound of weed how long did that take you to smoke?

cashmoney · #**128** 10-09-2003, 11:53 AM

4 days, nonstop smoking. I think I was throwing up all week long between the night of drinking straight vodka and smoking so much. It was rough in a sense. Everytime I'd go to eat, they wouldn't let me. I remember being so freaking hungry. I tried to cheat and secretly order a pizza through a few of the brothers I already knew. I've never smoked dirty weed or drank Stolichnaya Vanilla since.

adpiucf · #**129** 10-09-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by cashmoney
4 days, nonstop smoking. I think I was throwing up all week long between the night of drinking straight vodka and smoking so much. It was rough in a sense. Everytime I'd go to eat, they wouldn't let me. I remember being so freaking hungry.

We are so lucky you had the constitution to ward off starvation and poison consumption and are here to share your thoughts with us and offer us your advice.

I'm impressed.

cashmoney · #**130** 10-09-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by adpiucf
I'm impressed.

Doesn't take much for a Louisiana girl, does it?

SirHornyToad · #**131** 10-09-2003, 03:09 PM

cashmoney are you sure you arent a Sachsen?

cashmoney · #**132** 10-09-2003, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by SirHornyToad
cashmoney are you sure you arent a Sachsen?

SirHorny,

Ya mama!

HotDamnImAPhiMu · #**133** 10-09-2003, 04:52 PM

Cashmoney, you better lay off my fellow Macon Magnolia member. She may be lady enough not to kick your ass, but I'm not.

Y'all have a charming day.

James · #**134** 10-11-2003, 01:13 PM

Well actually lol. . . many people have at least partially abusive relationships with their SOs and their family. A lot of it looks like hazing or at least emotional abuse . . . but it does seem to bond the people closer together.

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Originally posted by AGDee
I would never respect or care for anybody who abused me, let alone feel "sisterhood" toward them. I don't think that sharing a traumatic experience (imposed by sisters/brothers) is grounds for true sisterhood/brotherhood. Can you just hear a husband or wife saying "Well, my spouse throws hard boiled eggs at me and makes me run while I chew tobacco but it just makes us love each other all the more"??? Or how about... "Gosh, I'm so close to my (biological) brother because he used to humiliate me in public".

That's just screwed up thinking.

Dee

cashmoney · #**135** 10-11-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by James
Well actually lol. . . many people have at least partially abusive relationships with their SOs and their family. A lot of it looks like hazing or at least emotional abuse . . . but it does seem to bond the people closer together.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.