Non-social GLOs...do you honestly consider us fellow Greeks?

[Tom Earp]

OOPS, Yes there is a differnece in Social Organizations and Non Social Organizations!

Is there a difference whether there is a difference in Service GLOS, Multi Glos, BGLOS or what the ever!

Of course there is! But We who have Greek Letters are thinking of the same thing! The Fraternalism of our organizations!

How we do it may seem different but is it?

I am a proud member of APO, BU Chapter and a true Brother of LXA!

[Tom Earp]

OOPS, Yes there is a differnece in Social Organizations and Non Social Organizations!

Is there a difference whether there is a difference in Service GLOS, Multi Glos, BGLOS or what the ever!

Of course there is! But We who have Greek Letters are thinking of the same thing! The Fraternalism of our organizations!

How we do it may seem different but is it?

I am a proud member of APO, BU Chapter and a true Brother of LXA!

More3 times than not, there are3 fewer members of the Social or other types of Ogranizations on Campus if they excist so it is hard to get together with them in a realationship!

[Aquastar]

I *THOUGHT* that to be considered "greek" on my campus you couldnt "discriminate" or have mandatory qualities in PNMs ... like having to play an instument or major in something specific ...
But what do I know?

<big>ANYWAY

I think they are all greek and my sorority trys to hold events with everyone.

Dude if you pledge I give you credit.

[bro_strawter]

I don't know about you guys, but I would never put my social fraternity over APO, or vice versa. Neither one is better than the other. Social, Service or whatever. I also seen someone post stating that Alpha Phi Omega does not call on it's members to loyal to the brotherhood. I beg to differ. Any member of APO will tell you this. In my chapter, we have members of APO in just about every fraternity and sorority on campus. None of them recognize the social frat/soror before APO or vice versa. Some pledge APO before going social, some pledge after going social....it depends.

Originally posted by Aquastar
I *THOUGHT* that to be considered "greek" on my campus you couldnt "discriminate" or have mandatory qualities in PNMs ... like having to play an instument or major in something specific ...
But what do I know?

<big>ANYWAY

I think they are all greek and my sorority trys to hold events with everyone.

Dude if you pledge I give you credit.

I think, although I'm not sure, that for most service and/or music GLOs, you don't have to play an instrument or major in anything specific... I'm in a sorority that was founded as a music GLO (although we now act as a social, but haven't gotten recognition as such by some of the socially-founded GLOs on campus yet... some but not all...) , and I am the most un-musically talented person alive. I can't play any instruments or sing for my life! You don't have to be a music major or minor to pledge Delta Omicron or Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia... just have a love for music. I'm not sure about SAI

[RedRoseSAI]

Originally posted by Ginger

You don't have to be a music major or minor to pledge Delta Omicron or Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia... just have a love for music. I'm not sure about SAI

SAI has the following basic requirements to pledge:
*Cumulative college GPA between 2.5 and 2.9 (individual chapters decide. Also, this means that first semester freshman can't pledge )
*Previously taken or currently enrolled in at least one college-level music class
*Demonstrate a sincere interest in music

So, besides GPA (which I'm sure every GLO requires) the thing about taking a music class is the only requirement. Clapping for Credit, Marching Band, Music Appreciation, etc. all fulfill this requirement. However, should Susie Baton Twirler rush SAI, she should have an interest in music above just playing the radio. This discussion was recently discussed to death on the SAI listserv - apparently at some chapters they get a lot of auxiliary girls with zero interest in promoting music.

[MysticCat]

Seems like we covered this early on in this thread, but anyway...

Any guy who has an interest in music is eligible to be considered for probationary membership (pledging) in Phi Mu Alpha. As with any other fraternity, the chapter will decide whether the prospective new member "fits" with the chapter and the Fraternity and exemplifies (or has the potential to exemplify) what we stand for before offering a bid, and will consider these questions again before voting to initiate him. There is no requirement that the prospective member be a music major, a music minor, or even that he has taken or plans to take any music classes. Guys of almost every major can be found in Phi Mu Alpha -- there are Phi Mu Alpha chapters with no music majors in them. Nor is there any requirement that a brother be able to play an instrument or sing, although most probably can. All that is required is that they love music. Love of music and belief in the power of music -- not study of music or preparation and pursuit of careers in music -- is the foundation of our brotherhood.

And again, just for the record, Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia is a social fraternity, not a professional fraternity. We were founded in 1898 as a social fraternity. Over the years we veered into the professional fraternity realm, although without ever completely losing hold of our social roots. In the 1980's we made the decision to remove any references to status as a professional fraternity from our governing documents, official communications and the like and to plant our feet solidly back in the social fraternity catagory. Yes, there are some chapters where old habits die hard, but the Fraternity's position is quite clear -- we are not a professional fraternity. FWIW.

Originally posted by RedRoseSAI
However, should Susie Baton Twirler rush SAI, she should have an interest in music above just playing the radio. This discussion was recently discussed to death on the SAI listserv - apparently at some chapters they get a lot of auxiliary girls with zero interest in promoting music.

As one of these "auxiliary" girls and an alum (and former chapter president!) of a GLO founded in music, I'm curious what the arguments are?

(edited because I just realized that sounded argumentative, which I didn't mean it to be... I'm not in the slightest bit offended or anything...just curious what the different stances are!)

[RedRoseSAI]

FWIW, I too am a former auxiliary girl (and up until last fall, I was an instructor!). I'm not saying you can't be a twirler/flag/pom and not have interest in furthering the cause of music (but I think you already know that). Rather, imagine if a girl on colorguard decided to rush SAI because her friends were in it/it sounded fun/whatever. Ok, that's fine. She gets to rush and discovers that SAI members spend much of their time on music related things, although there are other things too. Turns out she's only interested in "the other things" and not at all interested in the recitals, philanthropies, projects, etc. If this person has NO interest in the purposes of SAI, then she would probably be happier elsewhere. Does that make sense?

Well, that's kind of what I was wondering... (and I apologize, I thought you were using the word "auxilliary" in the sense of "extra"... I didn't realize you were referring to an activity! although I was a pom girl )

I guess what I'm wondering is, I didn't have any interest in recitals, etc. but I pledged DO because a) they had rush before NPC, so they were my first Greek experience and b) I fit in well with the group. When it came to the music related philanthropies, I helped of course, but I would have been just as happy to do a Make a Wish Foundation philanthropy or a Humane Society philanthropy, etc. I tried to organize things like that while I was active, but it was rather frowned upon by the NPC greeks, and never went through.

In the long run? Perhaps I would have been happier elsewhere. I wish I could have been part of an NPC sorority, it probably would have been a better fit for me. But I don't think that means I was any less of a sister, that my heart was any less in it, that I had any less devotion to my sorority and my sisters just because I don't live and die for music....

[Dionysus]

I'm starting to agree w/ some people about service/music GLO's not being "real", in regards of sisterhood/brotherhood.

I kinda had trouble bonding with my ex-sisters, b/c I wouldn't open up. But, here in this service GLO, it is 100X as hard to bond w/ my brothers, and I DID open up some this time. I am also picking up this up in some of the other members. In other words, the closeness that I feel in this service GLO doesn't even come close to the closeness I felt in the social one. The fraternal feel just ain't there.

Please my fellow brothers, correct me if I am wrong, it may just be a chapter problem.

[sairose]

Originally posted by Dionysus
I'm starting to agree w/ some people about service/music GLO's not being "real", in regards of sisterhood/brotherhood.

Please my fellow brothers, correct me if I am wrong, it may just be a chapter problem.

You can't judge all non-social GLOs by your own experience! Yes, I would definately say it's a chapter problem because my sisters are my sisters; there is a definate bond. HOw on earth can you say that the sister/brotherhood of these GLOs isn't "real"? Because we aren't social? Because we have a different focus? Our bond is just as strong as the bond in a social GLO, it's just a DIFFERENT bond. Our chapters tend to be smaller(my chapter has 10), and the majority of us are either music majors or very involved in the music department, so we are constantly bumping into each other!

That's my two cents.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by Dionysus
I'm starting to agree w/ some people about service/music GLO's not being "real", in regards of sisterhood/brotherhood.

.... In other words, the closeness that I feel in this service GLO doesn't even come close to the closeness I felt in the social one. The fraternal feel just ain't there.

Please my fellow brothers, correct me if I am wrong, it may just be a chapter problem.

I can't speak to any GLO except my own, but I can say without reservation that the bonds of brotherhood among brothers in FMA are as strong as in any other social GLO I have run across. Even back in the days when Sinfonia was classified as a professional rather than a social fraternity, the difference in brotherhood between Sinfonians on one hand and members of other professional GLO's was noticable, at least on my campus. They acted more like clubs. We were (and are) a true brotherhood.

As with any GLO, there may be some chapters where this is not true, and as with any GLO, these are the chapters that are in trouble in general. But as a whole, we take brotherhood very seriously; it's fundamental to our whole reason for existence. We don't just call each other "brothers," nor do we just talk about brotherhood -- we foster it, we live it, and we cherish it.

And that's my 2 cents.

[PSK480]

I hate to seem mean. But it seems more like you are trying to prove a point to those of us who are in a social GLO. You want to be seen as a fellow greek and a peer. But Honorary GLOs and social GLOs are 2 different beasts. They both have similarities, yet, we both also have differences. If I may so kindly offer some advice, don't try to argue your point to people who are deeply rooted in their ideas, b/c you won't change any minds. If anything you will make people more stuborn, angry, and even resentful of you.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by PSK480
I hate to seem mean. But it seems more like you are trying to prove a point to those of us who are in a social GLO. You want to be seen as a fellow greek and a peer. But Honorary GLOs and social GLOs are 2 different beasts. They both have similarities, yet, we both also have differences. If I may so kindly offer some advice, don't try to argue your point to people who are deeply rooted in their ideas, b/c you won't change any minds. If anything you will make people more stuborn, angry, and even resentful of you.

The debate isn't between honorary and social GLOs, which are very different from each other.