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05-27-2008, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by doogur
Leviticus is jewish tradition. You first quoted it as Bible Truth, so you have to have interest in it.
Or didn't you know that Leviticus is jewish tradition. Probably not.
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Yes, I do know that Leviticus is Jewish tradition. What Jews call their Torah, we as Chrisitans call the Old Testament.
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05-27-2008, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Yes, I do know that Leviticus is Jewish tradition. What Jews call their Torah, we as Chrisitans call the Old Testament.
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Ok then let's go through all the rules of Leviticus and you tell the viewing public how many of those rules YOU follow.
I'm serious. I'm waiting...
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05-27-2008, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
Yes, I do know that Leviticus is Jewish tradition. What Jews call their Torah, we as Chrisitans call the Old Testament.
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Well actually, the rules of Leviticus are what the Hebrews used to separate themselves from the Gentiles. It was code for Jewish behavior.
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05-27-2008, 06:03 PM
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Doogur, just leave, I must say that some of the points that people pro-gay on this board have brought up are legitimate, but yours are not. You are bending what people are saying to fit your own frame of mind when it is not the case. You are picking parts of the bible that fit your agenda and throwing out the rest, and then accusing us of it.. You can't do that. You say that my points are illogical but yours aren't? You might be served well contributing to this website than arguing things that are completely irrational, then people might respect you enough to take your comments seriously.
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05-27-2008, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by nate2512
Doogur, just leave, I must say that some of the points that people pro-gay on this board have brought up are legitimate, but yours are not. You are bending what people are saying to fit your own frame of mind when it is not the case. You are picking parts of the bible that fit your agenda and throwing out the rest, and then accusing us of it.. You can't do that. You say that my points are illogical but yours aren't? You might be served well contributing to this website than arguing things that are completely irrational, then people might respect you enough to take your comments seriously.
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I'm not the one who was Bible quoting, YOU started it. So...go to Leviticus and go through EACH rule and tell us how you follow those rules.
You live by leviticus, nate you die by leviticus.
Now start...
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05-27-2008, 06:06 PM
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Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)
Ok you two...want to handle this one?
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05-27-2008, 06:20 PM
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If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)
Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)
If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)
If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)
Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
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05-27-2008, 07:40 PM
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I'll probably get flamed for this but. . . . using the bible or religious beliefs as ones argument for why there should be a law (state or national) banning gay marriage would not be fair to those who do not believe in that particular religion. Last i checked we had a law that separates church from state, therefore using religious teachings to create laws for America as a whole would violate that.
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05-27-2008, 07:48 PM
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I'll probably get flamed for this but. . . . using the bible or religious beliefs as ones argument for why there should be a law (state or national) banning gay marriage would not be fair to those who do not believe in that particular religion. Last i checked we had a law that separates church from state, therefore using religious teachings to create laws for America as a whole would violate that.
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If we're going to get technical, the first amendment protects the church from the state...not the other way around.
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05-27-2008, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by preciousjeni
If we're going to get technical, the first amendment protects the church from the state...not the other way around. 
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I know church people love to say that, but the historical record really shows it's to protect each from the intrusion of the other.
ETA: And how could I forget --originally, the First Amendment only applied to the federal goverment. It wasn't until the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment after the Civil War that it became applicable to the states as well. So the original intent of the First Amendment, as much as anything, was to leave the question of religion to the states, some of which did have established churches into the Nineteenth Century.
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05-27-2008, 10:47 PM
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I know church people love to say that, but the historical record really shows it's to protect each from the intrusion of the other.
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Note the "  " in my post.
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05-27-2008, 10:49 PM
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Are preciousjeni and nate having a signature war right now?
I hate those.
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05-27-2008, 08:37 PM
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If we're going to get technical, the first amendment protects the church from the state...not the other way around. 
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Actually no, it grants freedom OF AND FROM religion. You can practice any religion you want and you cannot have religion forced upon you. The second part is why people object to having religious based morality determining law.
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05-27-2008, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kstar
Actually no, it grants freedom OF AND FROM religion. You can practice any religion you want and you cannot have religion forced upon you. The second part is why people object to having religious based morality determining law.
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So what does determine law? Who gets to decide what is moral and what is not moral?
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05-27-2008, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nanners52674
I'll probably get flamed for this but. . . . using the bible or religious beliefs as ones argument for why there should be a law (state or national) banning gay marriage would not be fair to those who do not believe in that particular religion.
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That is why, thankfully in this country, we get to vote to express our beliefs.
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