NHL Hockey

[CC1GC]

I say he had it coming...

[CanadianTeke]

Originally posted by CC1GC
I say he had it coming...

You've got to be kididng me. Nobody in the League has a broken neck coming to them. Even Naslund said the hit was clean, he had his head down. 10 games minimum, deserves at least 15.

[CC1GC]

Originally posted by CanadianTeke
You've got to be kididng me. Nobody in the League has a broken neck coming to them. Even Naslund said the hit was clean, he had his head down. 10 games minimum, deserves at least 15.

1) There's been worse incidents with less repercussions
2) His injury wouldn't have been as severe if everyother player on the ice didn't land on him
3) Players should be treated according to importance. Bertuzzi has skill, this guy doesn't - i don't pay $150 a ticket to watch the marquee players being harrassed.

[RACooper]

You're definitely in the minority of hockey fans.....

The only apologist that I have seen on TV has been Tie Domi, a real meathead himself, but even he said it was something that you shouldn't do. Bertuzzi was a complete coward in this attack, jumping a not-so physical guy from behind without giving him a chance to defend himself.... that violates every rule (unwritten) that hockey players follow.... if your going to go after a guy, you let him know and you meet each other like men.... not some pathetic coward like Bertuzzi.

If it was up to me he'd be gone for at least the regular season as well as the play-offs.... partly because of his cowardice and the nature of the attack, but also because Bertuzzi has a history of not being able to control himself, and a deplorable hipocracy regarding his actions (see his comments about the McSorely incident).

[Lady Pi Phi]

They should charge his arse.

I don't pay $150+ per ticket to see some no-talent goon fight/try to take someone out.
And to me, Bertuzzi is a no-talent goon for doing that. I want to see a game of skill, not some dumb a$$ player who's only there to fight. I say get rid of all the goon players.

[CC1GC]

See, what you guys are conveniently forgetting of the incident in nature that led to bertuzzi's retaliation.

Moore marked Naslund with an attempt to inflict serious injury. This is why the league is a bag of shit. 15 years ago, a no-name player wouldn't go after the best player in the league. And if anyone says what moore did to Naslund wasn't dirty - i'm sorry, but you obviously haven't played hockey in your life. There was no call on Moore's hit, the league's policing both on the ice and off dropped the ball there. This is what's been happening time and time again, the best players aren't given the respect they deserve, and what happens, the quality of the game suffers because of it. Case in point, look to Havlat, now i don't agree with his response with a cross-check to the face on Recchi. But if any of you watched the game, he was hooked four times in succession without any call and simply got fed up and retaliated. This is the behaviour Lemiuex criticized for years, yet the league doesn't do anything to change it. 'Yes good afternoon, you've reached the NHL, well it appears we're now behind Professional bowling in t.v. ratings so let's introduce ridiculous changes like 3 point victories in a pathetic attempt to revive a game we've lost over the last decade.'

One last point, yes Bertuzzi didn't give Moore a chance to defend himself, but would he have accepted responsibility and faced Todd if confronted - not likely, i'm sure a Colorado player would have stepped in (or maybe an official, lol).

[Lady Pi Phi]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Any no-name player needs be given the boot.

If you can't produce offensively, or defensively, then you need to go play in some industrial league because the NHL is not the place for you.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by CC1GC
See, what you guys are conveniently forgetting of the incident in nature that led to bertuzzi's retaliation.

Moore marked Naslund with an attempt to inflict serious injury. This is why the league is a bag of shit. 15 years ago, a no-name player wouldn't go after the best player in the league. And if anyone says what moore did to Naslund wasn't dirty - i'm sorry, but you obviously haven't played hockey in your life. There was no call on Moore's hit, the league's policing both on the ice and off dropped the ball there. This is what's been happening time and time again, the best players aren't given the respect they deserve, and what happens, the quality of the game suffers because of it. Case in point, look to Havlat, now i don't agree with his response with a cross-check to the face on Recchi. But if any of you watched the game, he was hooked four times in succession without any call and simply got fed up and retaliated. This is the behaviour Lemiuex criticized for years, yet the league doesn't do anything to change it. 'Yes good afternoon, you've reached the NHL, well it appears we're now behind Professional bowling in t.v. ratings so let's introduce ridiculous changes like 3 point victories in a pathetic attempt to revive a game we've lost over the last decade.'

One last point, yes Bertuzzi didn't give Moore a chance to defend himself, but would he have accepted responsibility and faced Todd if confronted - not likely, i'm sure a Colorado player would have stepped in (or maybe an official, lol).

Look Moore's hit was actually clean (unfortunately the NHL does allow hits to the head), and Naslund was interviewed about the hit last week.... he thought it was a clean hit on him (he had his head down). What Bertuzzi was in no way clean, and was one of the more cowardly things I've seen in hockey... and I've been playing hockey for close to 25 years.

[DeltaSigStan]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
Two wrongs don't make a right.

You get your revenge on the scoreboard, not in blood.....

Course, the Avs were up 8-2 at that point I think, but still.....

[CutiePie2000]

I don't really understand why Bertuzzi is "exacting" revenge, when he wasn't even the one hit in the first place? (Naslund was, albeit a few games back).

BARBARIANS ALL!

[mrblonde]

I guess its technically 'avenging' Naslund, but if youve been on a team where a member was hurt by an opposing player, its not unusual for teammates to feel slighted as well

[RACooper]

That's true.....

Moore was involved in a fight earlier in the game and most likely considered the issue of the Naslund hit dead, because that is usually what happens......

[CC1GC]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yes. But the first wrong should never have happened.

I need to check the ticker again, but i don't remember Naslund carrying the puck (or about to take a pass) before getting drilled.

[bcdphie]

The hit on Naslund should have last garnered a couple of minutes in the sin bin - but it didn't. Bertuzzi should not have done what he did - but he did. The NHL better remember this the next time something like this happens. I am not happy with the NHL decision in that there is no decision. It was the same as before - indefinite suspension. Never in the past have they waited to see the outcome of the player or the criminal investigation. And this is something Vancouver is familiar with - anyone recall the McSorley-Brashear incident.

Now before everyone jumps at me, I agree Todd needs to be booted for the rest of this season and the playoffs. But make up your minds - say he's gone for the whole next season - don't pussy foot around the issue.

I am angry, because this could easily had been our year and one of our players quite possibly took that away from us and that sucks. However Sanderson and Rucinsky looked good last night - our top line may even be more dangerous now - so I am not giving up hope.

I just can't believe how much coverage this thing is getting - and the worst thing about this whole incident - on that same night Linden became the Canucks all time points leader - a pretty awesome accomplishment considering the team has been around almost 35 years. But not one clip on the news or article in the newspaper has said a thing about Linden - and Vancouverites really need to hear that right now because the mood in this city is blue.

Last week people were starting to gear up for playoffs - car flags were starting to increase in numbers... and while we will still be in the playoffs who knows how far we will go. I hope it's still all the way, but I don't know what kind of psychological impact this will have on the team.

It sucks that all the continent's eyes are on the Canucks right now with what is probably the worst thing that has ever happened in hockey. But I am sure they don't know all the amazing, behind the scenes things, about this team, which is sad.

One thing I have learned and realized these last few days is how woven into Vancouver society and culture the Canucks really are...

[CC1GC]

Did anyone else catch The Score broadcast last night, with the usual geust analyst from the Winnipeg Free Press (scott taylor?). He brought up a lot of good points about the state of the game, basically reiterating mostly what i've said...that the game is fine but the enforcement of the rules is the root of all the problems with the league. He also ripped on Bettman, saying we have a commissioner that should be in the NBA and not NHL.