Tiers in The SEC - Page 8

macallan25 · #**106** 03-21-2008, 03:33 AM

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Like I said, there are nice parts (basically most of the Lee High School area) and not so nice parts.

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What is it with Tyler? Tyler does not strike me as the sort of place that is the breeding ground for good fraternity men. There are some really nice parts (like most towns), but it's really a redneck capital.

Word of advice sport. You ignorantly talk like this during rush down here and I promise you, good houses won't give you the time of fucking day. For one, you sound like a prick. Two, there are a lot of guys in some really good houses at UT that are all from East Texas. I'm sure we'd all love to hear you tell us in person about the "redneck capitals" that we are all from. All you are doing here is making yourself look like a typical Dallas asshole.

Your assessment of Tyler is ignorant and really not even close to accurate. That's all I'm going to say. If you care to tell me more about the city I'm from I'm all ears.

As far as your comments about Tyler being a breeding ground for fraternity men.......it is exactly the kind of place that spits out guys that are capable of going anywhere and getting in very good houses, and it's done consistently. There isn't a city in Texas more Southern in all aspects of life. That should be plenty enough explanation.

Lucky SC · #**107** 03-21-2008, 04:52 PM

BTW never posted this, but this is how it works at USC pretty much...

TIER 1
KA
SAE
Sig Nu

TIER 2
Kappa Sig
Sig Chi
ATO
Sig Ep

TIER 3
Pike
Pi Kap
DTD
Chi Psi
Phi Sigma Kappa

I will note that Pike just got chartered here and are growing incredibly quick, but they have a very northern stereotype. Which basically at South Carolina is looked upon as a negative thing by the greek community

KA and SAE do all of their stuff together, tailgates and most parties but then do their own stuff sometimes or with different fraternities. Sigma Nu is the other big dawg on campus, but it seems a lot of other fraternities have problems with them or tensions.

NOTE: this is all stereotypes mostly by the sororities and could be argued.

Tom Earp · #**108** 03-21-2008, 05:09 PM

The SEC is an old line GLO conference and is very close on who they recruit from.

Cities, that is a new one on me as GLOs like to try and recruit from Areas and members they know. But at smaller State Universitys it is important because of the size of the H S and where the students or going to atten.

Arkansas if they were smart would have joined the Big 8 as it would have been a perfect fit.

Excellent school though for sure!

Elephant Walk · #**109** 03-21-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Word of advice sport. You ignorantly talk like this during rush down here and I promise you, good houses won't give you the time of fucking day. For one, you sound like a prick. Two, there are a lot of guys in some really good houses at UT that are all from East Texas. I'm sure we'd all love to hear you tell us in person about the "redneck capitals" that we are all from. All you are doing here is making yourself look like a typical Dallas asshole.

Your assessment of Tyler is ignorant and really not even close to accurate. That's all I'm going to say. If you care to tell me more about the city I'm from I'm all ears.

As far as your comments about Tyler being a breeding ground for fraternity men.......it is exactly the kind of place that spits out guys that are capable of going anywhere and getting in very good houses, and it's done consistently. There isn't a city in Texas more Southern in all aspects of life. That should be plenty enough explanation.

macallan speaks alot of truth.

Be respectful. Depending on the part of Dallas, they're not always looked that well upon. Walk on eggshells throughout rush and pledgeships in terms of offending people. You can be a dick afterwards if you so choose.

UTLonghorn2012 · #**110** 03-21-2008, 06:37 PM

I meant no offense, I'm sorry. I probably shouldn't have said anything at all.

PhiGam · #**111** 03-22-2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

I meant no offense, I'm sorry. I probably shouldn't have said anything at all.

You'll make a good pledge

Elephant Walk · #**112** 03-22-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

You'll make a good pledge

Haha, that's what I was thinking.

EE-BO · #**113** 03-22-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

What is it with Tyler? Tyler does not strike me as the sort of place that is the breeding ground for good fraternity men. There are some really nice parts (like most towns), but it's really a redneck capital.

And what's wrong with North Dallas? Have you ever seen Preston Hollow? Or west Plano? I know the folks haven't been rich since before the War like a lot of fraternity men, but there are a lot of quality people in Dallas and its northern suburbs.

Well, don't confuse Southeast Texas with Northeast Texas. To follow up on what macallan said, my family comes from another small town in Northeast Texas- not too far from his- and we were founders of the town. Coming from an old Northeast Texas family is about as good a Texas blue-blood credential as you can get.

As for North Dallas- like others said there is lots of new money and there are lots of transplants there. Not necessarily bad people, but in my days at UT there were 2 large fraternities where a significant number of North Dallas people went because they did not have a lot of options.

Houston has areas like that too. When I was an active I focused on Houston rush and hearing some rushee go on about how they were from Sugarland like it was something special was a big strike in my book.

Just to clarify though before it gets lost in this discussion- people are going to look at you first and how you present yourself- in attire, behavior, discretion and treatment of women. If you fit in to what a chapter wants, you will know it and they will know it.

If you are borderline, then where you came from and who can vouch for you can affect decisions since it gives secondary information which is important.

Think of it like a job interview. If you go on a job interview and the people who will decide whether to hire you are on the fence about how the interview went- then they will look more closely at your resume, grades and school to make a final decision. Granted that was looked at when you first applied, but it will be more carefully considered if you do not ace the interview process. And as always, it is better to just be yourself and see where it goes. Putting on a fake front does not work in job interviews- and it doesn't work when rushing good chapters since they will want to meet you several times before they decide, giving plenty of time to see what is really there.

And that is how the world works in general. Sure coming from certain areas you will have something extra to prove over someone from a known and trusted environment, but it does not rule you out automatically.

Elephant Walk · #**114** 03-22-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EE-BO

Just to clarify though before it gets lost in this discussion- people are going to look at you first and how you present yourself- in attire, behavior, discretion and treatment of women. If you fit in to what a chapter wants, you will know it and they will know it.

If you are borderline, then where you came from and who can vouch for you can affect decisions since it gives secondary information which is important.

I think this is the most important thing to learn from the thread.

banditone · #**115** 03-22-2008, 09:16 PM

EW, I think you should start a Tiers of the Big 12.

Lucky SC · #**116** 03-22-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

You'll make a good pledge

lmao

oldu · #**117** 03-23-2008, 11:45 AM

I have been following this thread with interest, particularly as it wandered off to the subject of "old" money. Question: Why wouldn't these supposedly "old" money people be going to the likes of SMU, Tulane, Vandy, Emory, Duke, W & L, the Ivies or elite eastern schools rather public institutions? Probably not more than 10% of the graduates of my daughters' prep schools went to state schools.

bowsandtoes · #**118** 03-23-2008, 01:17 PM

That's at least somewhat true, from my prep school about an equal number (5 or so out of 90) went to SMU and UT. Some schools like Vandy and Duke have been attracting more and more Northern students as well as uping the notch academically. Like with the Ivies they've become much more selective schools. Even with 'old money' a lot of the time it wouldn't be sufficient to overcome a weak applicant.

Also, many just want to be close to home or go to their parents' college.

macallan25 · #**119** 03-23-2008, 04:02 PM

I'm going to guess that you aren't from the South. Typically, I think old money Southern kids are going to want to go where their parents went (or schools that are in the family) or to schools that are in good college towns and have great Greek systems.

Out of all of those schools you listed, Vandy, Washington and Lee, and SMU are probably going to be the most heavily populated with your typical, wealthy, Southern old money type guy. I don't know many guys down here from well established families that would find going to school in the Northeast very desirable. I don't at all.

Realize that there are state schools in existence that are extremely good schools.......better or on par with some that you mentioned even. Take for instance Texas, where I go. Top 10-15 in Business, Law, Medicine, and Engineering. There are not a whole lot of schools out there that can claim that. I pretty much chose between SMU and Texas and when it came down to it......I didn't find a reason why I should have my parents pay 20,000$ + more a year for me to go to a school that probably isn't as academically strong as UT.

Lucky SC · #**120** 03-23-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

I'm going to guess that you aren't from the South. Typically, I think old money Southern kids are going to want to go where their parents went (or schools that are in the family) or to schools that are in good college towns and have great Greek systems.

Out of all of those schools you listed, Vandy, Washington and Lee, and SMU are probably going to be the most heavily populated with your typical, wealthy, Southern old money type guy. I don't know many guys down here from well established families that would find going to school in the Northeast very desirable. I don't at all.

Realize that there are state schools in existence that are extremely good schools.......better or on par with some that you mentioned even. Take for instance Texas, where I go. Top 10-15 in Business, Law, Medicine, and Engineering. There are not a whole lot of schools out there that can claim that. I pretty much chose between SMU and Texas and when it came down to it......I didn't find a reason why I should have my parents pay 20,000$ + more a year for me to go to a school that probably isn't as academically strong as UT.

you like UT's greek life? i'm thinking about going there for grad school for my MBA