UIUC Rush Story

[AnatraAmore]

Side Note: Large numbers of girls + little to no sleep = drama and/or brutal honesty.

[srmom]

You can probably learn more about the vibe of a group from the looks of the girls than you can from their skill at pinning Christmas lights to the ceiling.

Loved this quote! It made me laugh out loud because it is so true!

Pinning lights to the ceiling - Hee hee

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

Rats! This is what I was thinking, too. Now it's too late.

Look. We're talking about a process that involves thousands of young women devoting hundreds of thousands of hours over the course of each school year to their shmoozing skills, matching outfits, decorations, chants, song-and-dance routines, rotational techniques, and even seminars with marketing consultants.

It doesn't make sense to have an attack of the vapors when we learn that -- mercy! -- a consumer of this marketing is actually INFLUENCED by appearances! Break out the smelling salts.

If shallow marketing didn't work on PNMs, groups would not waste their time. I don't think anyone would have jumped down Vixen's throat for saying, "ABC's pref decorations were so beautiful! I felt like I was walking into a fairy castle! I decided right then on ABC!" But honestly, that kind of thing is even less substantive than attractiveness. You can probably learn more about the vibe of a group from the looks of the girls than you can from their skill at pinning Christmas lights to the ceiling.

I'm not trying to presume/assume anything, but did you read the whole thread with all her posts?

While it was fun to read someone being so open, to reduce the problem mentioned in the thread to merely having trouble with judging groups by the girls' appearance is an oversimplification, I think. She was pretty openly dismissive of many groups. She's not obligated to like everyone, but some stuff can be left unsaid, and if they are said, you're probably going to get judged for it.

I agree that using decorations would be no better a method to rank groups, but it would be less likely to deeply offend anyone because it's so much less personal.

[AnonAlumna]

Thanks for the 'balls' JwSteele and LowC. I think we are quick to forget that we (as the rushers) were probably pretty shallow too. We've all flipped through the picture books and paid more attention to the more attractive PNM's. I don't consider myself shallow, but I was guilty of it too.

I do agree with anyone who was more concerned about her anonymity being compromised. But, please, let's not sugarcoat this process anymore than it is. We all had some shallow biz-natches as our sisters...hopefully, vixen will fit in where she's meant to be.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by AnonAlumna

Thanks for the 'balls' JwSteele and LowC. I think we are quick to forget that we (as the rushers) were probably pretty shallow too. We've all flipped through the picture books and paid more attention to the more attractive PNM's. I don't consider myself shallow, but I was guilty of it too.

Thank you! I've just had to catch up on this thread and was hoping somebody would say this before I reached the end. It's easy to see things clearly with a little more life experience under our belts, so don't be too quick to judge a college-aged girl for being shallow. I don't think most of us were having SUPER deep conversations at rush. We all know it's a superficial process on both sides....don't act like littlemissvixen is the only PNM in history to judge people based on first appearances.

[MVisKD]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

Thank you! I've just had to catch up on this thread and was hoping somebody would say this before I reached the end. It's easy to see things clearly with a little more life experience under our belts, so don't be too quick to judge a college-aged girl for being shallow. I don't think most of us were having SUPER deep conversations at rush. We all know it's a superficial process on both sides....don't act like littlemissvixen is the only PNM in history to judge people based on first appearances.

I am with you!!!!!!!! Poor LMV came here for support and she is practically being hazed by all the gc'ers! I have already said this to her in a PM, but I know that I definitely was looking at the appearances of each chapter. It's just what we (as humans) do. That is not to say that my chapter was all of the best looking girls or that I cut other houses because of physical attributes/looks, but I remember walking into a house and looking around and thinking, "They are so cute!!!!!" And it is the same on the other side....It never failed that comments on score cards were "pretty" "cute" "adorable," not "smart," "witty," or "involved." (ok, sometimes they said that ) I think that especially at this point in her rush, looks and shallow convo's are all LMV has to go by. Let's cut her some slack!!!!!

[AlphaFrog]

MVisKD...your last post is venturing precariously close to membership selection details, and I refrained from quoting you, in case you would like to go back and edit.

[UGAalum94]

I understand that we don't want to be mean and seem to enjoy anticipating other people's misfortunes, but are you sure you all want to go down the "yeah, we're all superficial and judge by appearances" path?

Sure, as human beings appearances make an impression on us and recruitment is no different, but come on now, the rankings and descriptions in this thread were not the kind of comments that I think any GLO probably allow in MS or that the group itself holds as standards for membership.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I understand that we don't want to be mean and seem to enjoy anticipating other people's misfortunes, but are you sure you all want to go down the "yeah, we're all superficial and judge by appearances" path?

Sure, as human beings appearances make an impression on us and recruitment is no different, but come on now, the rankings and descriptions in this thread were not the kind of comments that I think any GLO probably allow in MS or that the group itself holds as standards for membership.

I actually didn't say that. I said that it's a superficial process and a lot of us were more superficial at that age. I'll say it again though, I don't think what she said in her first post was that bad. After that I think she was playing to the crowd a bit....enjoyed the shock value and peoples reactions. She's probably not coming across that way in person though, I just don't get the feeling she's walking around pointing out peoples chipped pedicures at rush parties.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

I actually didn't say that. I said that it's a superficial process and a lot of us were more superficial at that age. I'll say it again though, I don't think what she said in her first post was that bad. After that I think she was playing to the crowd a bit....enjoyed the shock value and peoples reactions. She's probably not coming across that way in person though, I just don't get the feeling she's walking around pointing out peoples chipped pedicures at rush parties.

No, I doubt she's acting that way at parties either, but it might be hard enough being a junior that she really needs to be looking for membership at some of the chapters that she is dismissing for reasons that seem kind of lame.

And I didn't mean you specifically, but look at the last five or so posters' comments. What underlying message do you see there?

Like everyone else, I was enjoying the thread. The OP seems to have a great sense of humor, but lots of what she was posting was a bad idea. We probably should be careful in defending it.

[bluefish81]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

MVisKD...your last post is venturing precariously close to membership selection details, and I refrained from quoting you, in case you would like to go back and edit.

I'd say it's more than "precariously close."

If the OP wants to base her decision about chapters based on appearances, that's fine and that's her choice. If she chooses to post them on the internet, that's again, also her choice. If her respective chapters see them and choose to cut her based on her comments that she made on a public internet board - that will kinda come back to her. Hence why people told her back on page one that she should be discrete.
While some PNMs might make notes in their books/guides etc. those aren't getting posted on a public board where the members of different chapters can go and look at them. And while she may not have said them about ABC, ABC could still be very offended by those comments and choose to cut her just the same.
Is formal recruitment superficial? Yes, it's fast and exhausting and prettied up with decorations and similar looking outfits. I would certainly hope that the OP isn't looking for the end result to be as superficial. If sheis than she will surely be disappointed. These chapters are looking for sisters to contribute to their membership. And in my humble opinion being in a sorority is about a lot more than just being pretty.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

No, I doubt she's acting that way at parties either, but it might be hard enough being a junior that she really needs to be looking for membership at some of the chapters that she is dismissing for reasons that seem kind of lame.

And I didn't mean you specifically, but look at the last five or so posters' comments. What underlying message do you see there?

Like everyone else, I was enjoying the thread. The OP seems to have a great sense of humor, but lots of what she was posting was a bad idea. We probably should be careful in defending it.

Oh totally, I agree she's dismissing chapters for lame reasons. I'm not defending that in any way. But honestly, if I had posted a rush story on GC when I went through there would have been stupid reasons in my story as well. That's all I'm saying.

[ZTA72]

Defending someone bashing pedicures???
I like nice feet and hands but hello, maybe someone tripped coming in the door. It happens, like your rush.....
Everyone is not perfect 100 % of the time.
ZTA72

[DeltaBetaBaby]

The maximum number of chapters you can go to for first invite is 10. The OP was invited to 6.

I have a feeling that the internet may not be the *only* place she is expressing her opinions. Did it occur to anyone that GCers may be doing her a favor by calling her out on her attitude?

[Benzgirl]

I think we are sort of Electronic Psychologists (I will call it Epsilon Psi for short). PNMs can bounce anything off of us and whatever our reaction, it is better to try it out on us before it gets her into hot water.

As you can see, we all react to her comments in different ways, as would the actives.